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10-27-2013 , 03:12 AM
Hi start of the tourny so no reads, would you call river here?



    Poker Stars, $4 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20231831

    CO: 3,150 (157.5 bb)
    BTN: 2,470 (123.5 bb)
    Hero (SB): 3,000 (150 bb)
    BB: 3,090 (154.5 bb)
    UTG+1: 2,960 (148 bb)
    UTG+2: 2,990 (149.5 bb)
    MP1: 3,000 (150 bb)
    MP2: 2,910 (145.5 bb)
    MP3: 3,420 (171 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with J J
    2 folds, MP1 calls 20, 4 folds, Hero raises to 80, BB folds, MP1 calls 60

    Flop: (180) 2 K 7 (2 players)
    Hero bets 115, MP1 calls 115

    Turn: (410) 6 (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP1 checks

    River: (410) 4 (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP1 bets 220, Hero ??




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    10-27-2013 , 04:12 AM
    seems like MP1 is a passive player. i think ur line was good and as for the river I would check fold because when he bets the river he's betting all Kx hands, maybe 74, and all flushes (altho it's unlikely since u have a club in ur hand but still possible). it's the 1st hand of the tourney so there's no need to hero calling this deep especially vs an unknown
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    10-27-2013 , 04:16 AM
    think it's a fold that I usually cant make ingame. Villain has it pretty much always here.

    On the positive note - when you call you let table know that they cant run over you - so it might not be that bad of an idea to call here - but think we are beat here almost always
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    10-28-2013 , 07:29 AM
    Bet turn again and ch/f river. Many players like to float.

    As played, we could pay in river, he can have a King, maybe not, but we show a good hand to the rest of the table, you get info from villain and it is a few % of your stack.
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    10-28-2013 , 07:33 AM
    turn bet isnt great for a lot of reasons. might even check call flop and go from there, otherwise cbet/give up on bad runouts (this is one) folding here is fine; his l/c range isnt vbetting worse often
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    10-28-2013 , 09:46 AM
    Bet river 40%
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    10-28-2013 , 10:01 AM
    I think it's a fold, and I think the turn is a bet.
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    10-28-2013 , 11:38 AM
    bet turn - 40%
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    10-28-2013 , 12:39 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by oscarrdc
    Bet turn again and ch/f river. Many players like to float.
    Isn't this a reason to check the turn? To let villain bet all his missed floats?

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    Originally Posted by V-Delaney
    Bet river 40%
    this was the first thing I thought of when reading the HH. Dry board, shouldn't need to cbet so much. Don't know how good/bad this player is, but by betting larger, you're just going to isolate yourself vs the better part of villain's range.
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    10-28-2013 , 01:14 PM
    i'll be tempted to bet out again on the turn , but i don't mind checking either. since you don't have much reads on villian ,


    if you know villian is capable of floating flops with low pair or 2ed best pair then its worth betting out OTT again , to get value from these hands hes floating with. But since our information is so limited against villian checking the turn is fine IMO.

    I reckon the best option on the river is to bet/Fold (around 40%) like others have said above.
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    10-28-2013 , 01:28 PM
    1 - I'd have made my Flop c-bet smaller (half pot).
    As played:
    2 - Check/folding River is fine.
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    10-28-2013 , 03:00 PM
    @ synth, I was thinking that OTF smaller sizing.

    well spotted.
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    10-29-2013 , 10:58 AM
    I think i prefer betting the turn rather than c/c simply because we lose value from flush draws that float the flop and worse pairs that will probably call another street on this board. River, c/f is fine i think, i prefer c/c or c/f much more than betting again.
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    10-30-2013 , 12:10 PM
    I'm calling this river almost 100% of the time. I'm not betting the turn. you easily beat half his flop calling range here and if he rivered a set so be it.
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