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11-08-2011 , 09:43 AM
I'm currently playing a tournament at party, and it was folded to me in the SB where I held JJ. I decided to raise 4x the big blind to either make him fold, or call and then c-bet/value bet the flop. I do not hit my flop very well, and there was an overcard on the board, a queen, so I deduce that he might have a queen or that he might be on a complete bluff/semi-bluff, or have mid or lowest-pair which he thought was the best hand. I actually looked like an aggressive stealer at this spot, because we were heads up.

I'm pretty aware that I got pretty lucky here, but was it optimal play? I folded AKo yesterday in a similar situation heads-up, and I was adviced to call or shove. I did that now, and to my fortune it paid off, even though I was way behind.

So was it optimal play, or should I have folded/pussied out? Or played the hand in a different manner? Perhaps not playing such a big pot?


    Party, $8.18 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10987492

    CO: 3,000 (30 bb)
    UTG+1: 7,065 (70.7 bb)
    MP2: 3,476 (34.8 bb)
    BTN: 10,950 (109.5 bb)
    Hero (SB): 3,500 (35 bb)
    BB: 4,512 (45.1 bb)
    UTG+2: 2,565 (25.7 bb)
    MP3: 4,495 (45 bb)
    MP1: 1,105 (11.1 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with J J
    7 folds, Hero raises to 400, BB calls 300

    Flop: (800) 5 Q 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets 400, BB raises to 1,400, Hero raises to 3,100 and is all-in, BB calls 1,700

    Turn: (7,000) 8 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: (7,000) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 7,000 pot
    Final Board: 5 Q 6 8 J
    Hero showed J J and won 7,000 (3,500 net)
    BB showed A Q and lost (-3,500 net)



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    Last edited by Joey Crack; 11-08-2011 at 09:49 AM.
    JJ - blind vs. blind Quote
    11-08-2011 , 09:57 AM
    275-300 pre so we can balance
    b/f flop as default but if you have some reads on BB that would be helpful
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    11-08-2011 , 10:17 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by V-Delaney
    275-300 pre so we can balance
    b/f flop as default but if you have some reads on BB that would be helpful
    This.

    I didn't see the other thread but i'm not sure why we would wanna play it any other way if we had AKo in this spot.
    JJ - blind vs. blind Quote
    11-08-2011 , 10:43 AM
    Dear OP,

    Raise slightly less pre-flop, ideally to no more than 10% of your stack.

    Your flop actions are correct. Given stack sizes and board texture, bet the flop for value and move all in for value if you are raised.

    Good luck,

    Tycornel.
    JJ - blind vs. blind Quote
    11-08-2011 , 10:57 AM
    you dont need to balance but open smaller go get value from a wider range preflop and postflop.
    as played every option kinda sucks. you created a huge pot with what will often be a 2nd best hand when all the money goes in.

    /OT

    dear Tycornel

    this is a poker forum.
    you dont need to write letters.

    yours faithfully
    furo
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    11-08-2011 , 11:04 AM
    I don't really see how we would be shoving for value here. Lot of his range is just Qx imo. Except for 87dd and maybe AKdd there really isn't that strong a draw out there. Villain pretty much committed himself. Readless i'm folding.
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    11-08-2011 , 11:13 AM
    Flop is kinda wet so I wouldnt want to b/f here. You cant assume your behind just because he is raising you here. You played the hand well, villain played it terrible pre + post.
    JJ - blind vs. blind Quote
    11-08-2011 , 11:43 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Rakhir
    Flop is kinda wet so I wouldnt want to b/f here. You cant assume your behind just because he is raising you here. You played the hand well, villain played it terrible pre + post.
    I'm not. I'm suspecting it because he called a 4x and now chose this sizing. Agreed, the flop is wet. But what draws are really that happy getting it in? Pair+FD is not very likely (cause it would mean he flatted with 5 in hand). 78 would be pretty bad. So that leaves Axdd. And he'll obv 3bet AK most of the time. So unless we think he's getting it in with worse pairs for some reason i don't think we do very well against that range? That might be wrong, don't have stove here at the office, but it would surprise me quite a bit if it was wrong.
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