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11-17-2008 , 09:09 PM

AngryJohnny

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Villain is 20/8 over 35 hands. I felt like a 5X raise was more likely to be AK or TT than an over pair, but it sure was a big push. Anyone play this differently? I was thinking a larger three bet PF would be have been better.

Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: t11322
UTG+1: t10705
UTG+2: t1150
MP1: t5029
MP2: t11020
CO: t4130
BTN: t5253
Hero (SB): t6680
BB: t5041

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is SB with J

1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t250, 5 folds, Hero raises to t700, 1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t10705 all in, Hero calls t5980 all in

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11-17-2008 , 09:42 PM

ashe.housewares

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I always call this and I think it is a leak......

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11-17-2008 , 09:45 PM

noname6520

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ez fold this is like 60% QQ and 33%KK and AK

btw 5x is pretty standard with stacks as deep as they are

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11-17-2008 , 10:44 PM

Margin Of Error

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I insta fold this every time.

People are freaking nits in the 1r/1a tournies on stars.

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11-17-2008 , 11:21 PM

areaman

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Originally Posted by Margin Of Error

I insta fold this every time.

People are freaking nits in the 1r/1a tournies on stars.

not early they arent

but with that said...i can find a fold here
little deep to be felting JJ imo

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11-17-2008 , 11:53 PM

kvl

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Why do you raise? I think I flat here pretty much always?

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11-18-2008 , 12:20 AM

AngryJohnny

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Originally Posted by kvl

Why do you raise? I think I flat here pretty much always?

I raise to be aggressive and to "take control" of the hand. JJ is better than his open raise range I would think. It's the all in shove that I'm wondering about. Is calling a leak or do I have decent equity against a 4-bet shove by villain?

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11-18-2008 , 12:24 AM

areaman

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Originally Posted by AngryJohnny

considering there are no antes i would think no, his range is TT+ AQ+ and thats on the loose side.

if hes not a total maniac is range is like, QQ+ and AK

and considering hes shoving effectively, like, 120 blinds or something i think his range is dead on with KK and AA.

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11-18-2008 , 12:27 AM

ssnyc

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everytime I have hero called overbets lately they have KK+

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11-18-2008 , 12:31 AM

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AngryJohnny

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Originally Posted by areaman

Touche sir, I'm still playing with a turbo mentality. So I assume it's a concesus that I can quietly set JJ down in this situation. Is the three bet PF okay or is flatting preferable?

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11-18-2008 , 12:31 AM

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kvl

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Considering they`re like million bbs deep his range def shouldnt be TT+? Anyway he is def not shoving wide there unless he is an idiot so no reason to turn our hand into a bluff (pretty much) when we playing post should be +ev even OOP.

Even when he flats for some reason (your raise is a lil on the small side btw) it s not such a lovely spot in a now bloated pot but still OOP

Last edited by kvl; 11-18-2008 at 12:32 AM. Reason: typos

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11-18-2008 , 01:21 AM

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Bond18

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Flat the origional raise for sure. I just absolutely hate 3 betting pre. Here's why:

Villain is 5 X'ing in EP showing strength, we're going to be OOP post with a semi awkward stack with a fairly awkward hand, people aren't going to flat you that wide considering the position of the open raise you are 3 betting, and when he shoves you find yourself in a position so gross you gotta post about it.

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