ffs,
this is so ****** unreal
its the CO and the motherfcking button. ffs

We crush w/e CO's range which even for a random is like any ****** suited K and broadways and if the BTN even has half of a ****** brain they are calling any pair KQo+ and like A5o+. And your mucking AK? ffs this is so ridiculous.
everyone saying "snap muck" you all can gfy. unreal how many ridiculous threads there are about folding AK w/ less than 20BBs.

thats pretty obv imo

ftr our range is something like
88+, AJs+, AQo+.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

717,014,002,320 games 870.395 secs 823,780,010 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 26.070% 24.56% 01.51% 176090565492 10834335240.00 { 22+, A2s+, K7s+, QJs, JTs, A2o+, K7o+, QJo }
Hand 1: 33.781% 31.67% 02.11% 227056757772 15155846352.00 { 22+, A5s+, KJs+, A9o+, KJo+ }
Hand 2: 40.149% 37.21% 02.94% 266767501392 21108996072.00 { AKo }


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see we don't win the full pot the majority of the time

we can obv find a better spot

i'll ask elvis at lunch

the abstract seeing you seem to be getting pretty worked up about this yet you miss the fact the SB has called as well

now I never fold here but if you are going to be so aggressive in your stance at least try and get the action right

you know the stove is a little pointless without the SB right?

kk well even if i restove it with reasonable ranges and add in the SB were still at least flipping and prolly going to be ahead most of the time.

I don't disagree

I agree. It is beyond bad.

We're f-ing scared here if 50,000 stacks are shipping left and right. But we're getting micro ships, which probably means (depending how the table is playing) that they are relatively wide in most of these spots. Also remember AK is probably the 3rd best hand we can have in these huge pots so take the value and opportunity to increase your stack to a comfortable level and give you and edge to take this tournament down.

Way too nitty of a fold buddy.

I agree +1.

Throw ICM out the window in these extreme spots with lots of value.

You're going to see some of these tards calling with Q9s here, this is a ship. Its a $6, they see paint and that is the nuts for them. The sole exception would be if this were the bubble in some massive tournament. Even then I think ICM is ******ed because there is too much value lost.

nou **** ****er and reread what I posted.

+1

Best logic I've seen so far in this post. Why browbeat an honest question? OP asked because he wanted an answer, not abuse. If he thought it was an autoshove he wouldn't have posted the thread.

PS:OP any reads on the villains? That would help a lot...

Everything abstract7 said. This is ****ing horrible.

No. Especially when this not close to the FT and we're short, a jam here with an A and a K is +EV.

Everyone stop with the waiting to go to the magical land of better spots,
To quote the great Barry;


Originally Posted by BarryLyndon
"You must let go of that poisonous combination of fear and hubris that makes you think that you are about to do something special with AK by folding preflop.

You are not a world class surgeon with the cards. You cannot dissect AK any further. You will not find a theoretical breakthrough for folding AK in a small stakes, non-satelite online tourney almost ever. Numerous Small Stakes tourney theoreticians have tried before. In fact, about one tries every day. It always fails. It fails as hard as communism or Coke Zero. Except, communism always makes for a better read.

You are not a magician. If you fold AK, your online chips will not transpose themselves from the computer screen to your desk moments later and unravel like flowers in bloom, only to reveal sheaths of gold.

You have AK with an M of 8 - ??. There's a push in front of you with an M of 10. There's another call with M of 15. . It's late. It's early. Your dreams of making a final table are only one and a half hours away. And there's a break coming up! It's a +EV play to push here. That's all it is. +EV. That's what poker is: EV moves. Deal with it.

You're pyschology or greater wants mean nothing. All that matters in the end is the "long run" promise of cEV. Chips only translate to more potential returns if you play them correctly. Please think about this.

Barry"

Easy shove due to dead money + good equity (because you WILL get called by worse... so this shove is for value) + a tiny bt of FE = ++++cEV

/thread

Yeah it's only the money bubble and you have 0 FE against 2 people that cover you how could there possibly be ICM implications

I'm not saying it's a shove or not and I probably would shove in game but anyone posting itt without mentioning ICM should lurk more.

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