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ITT I decide to take an odd line with 99 ITT I decide to take an odd line with 99

04-11-2010 , 04:01 PM
Villain in this hand seems pretty decent, save for his 4x reraise pre. Hasn't done anything weird or donkish. Figure that flatting pre and setmining is probably optimal vs. a 4x and a flat. On the flop I decide to donk as a bluff, trying to intimidate TT-QQ type hands. Turn is pretty bad but I decided I was going to bluff shove a club river. I don't know, ideas?

Full Tilt Poker $8 + $0.80 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 8 players
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Hero (BB): t3030 M = 67.33
UTG: t2385 M = 53
UTG+1: t2115 M = 47
MP1: t4490 M = 99.78
MP2: t2480 M = 55.11
CO: t1345 M = 29.89
BTN: t1835 M = 40.78
SB: t2450 M = 54.44

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BB with 9 9
2 folds, MP1 raises to t120, 3 folds, SB calls t105, Hero calls t90

Flop: (t360) K 7 3 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t240, MP1 calls t240, SB calls t240

Turn: (t1080) Q (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets t300, SB folds, Hero calls t300

River: (t1680) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets t1050, Hero folds
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04-11-2010 , 05:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiggymike
Turn is pretty bad but I decided I was going to bluff shove a club river.
Everything looks OK until this. Let me know how often this works out for you.

Preflop and flop are not all that odd. You only have 2 options pre and you're going to be in an odd spot if you 3-bet preflop and get called.

If you weren't in the blinds, you'd at least have position. Your strategy of just taking the flop seems reasonable but I just don't see any reason at all to call the turn.
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04-11-2010 , 05:48 PM
FPS. You're set mining, but then you donk the flop?

The turn is a fold. Calling so hit a flush draw would be ok; calling so you can bluff a flush river is... different.
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04-11-2010 , 05:50 PM
bluff shoving in $8 buyins? nononon
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04-11-2010 , 05:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jkugelman
FPS. You're set mining, but then you donk the flop?
I don't mind donking a little bit to force MP to react to something, but the hand is over after we get called in two spots unless we spike a 9 turn.
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04-11-2010 , 05:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mempho
I don't mind donking a little bit to force MP to react to something, but the hand is over after we get called in two spots unless we spike a 9 turn.
But see this is why I lol when people hype up the virtues of set mining. "I'm going to stack the guy when I hit and I'll never lose anything when I don't!"
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04-11-2010 , 05:52 PM
Pre is good,
c/c flop (c/f is ok),
c/f turn
fold river
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04-11-2010 , 05:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CIGARO
bluff shoving in $8 buyins? nononon
Also this, it never would have worked regardless of his hand. I agree this was FPS.
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04-11-2010 , 07:38 PM
"grunch"

pre is std

post is just spew imo. i think c/f flop is best line, though i don't hate c/c'ing flop/soulread turn if OR cbets and SB gets out of the way.

leading flop is kinda meh because although i think you have the best hand OTF quite a lot, there are so many bad turns, and if you're flatted you're going to either go into c/c mode or be betting when you're not really sure whether you're ahead in the hand. you don't know which turns are bad for you, and i just think OOP you're going to get kind of owned here.

considering you said you were leading the flop as a bluff (which i don't really agree with but w/e) i think planning what is usually going to have to be a minimum of a double barrel bluff 3-way OOP on a two-tone board is just FPS and unnecessary.

as played, i don't like the turn c/c and think folding is way the best. also your plan to shove a club river probably gets looked up a lot in general, and also considering the villain's line there's a decent chance that he has the FD. however your line does make sense for a flush, and if he's capable of handreading you might be able to get him to fold some of his range.
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04-11-2010 , 08:12 PM
Yeah I mean I have to agree with jkugleman here, if we flat with 99 to set mine then donking the flop is pretty much spew.

I like that you had a plan when you called the turn, although I question the wisdom of bluff shoving against a random, since you have no way of knowing if said villain is capable of laying down TP or two pair or something.
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04-12-2010 , 04:38 AM
flop seems still ok (as some sort of semibluff value bet) but turn is spew
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