Guy is a nitfish. Saw him flat/tankcall off 8BBs with 88 vs my 3b shove.
Do we just fold and let these guys be. He probably limps AK/TT Haven't seen him turn up with any trash. Don't feel like he limps random broadways like KTo so I'm fairly certain he has KQs beat pre.
Expect him to be uber straightforward and play fit/fold post

Poker Stars, $5 Buy-in (400/800 blinds, 100 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players

Hero (MP2): 16,939 (21.2 bb)
MP3: 19,730 (24.7 bb)
CO: 31,909 (39.9 bb)
BTN: 76,108 (95.1 bb)
SB: 28,650 (35.8 bb)
BB: 67,252 (84.1 bb)
UTG+2: 60,056 (75.1 bb)
MP1: 14,901 (18.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K Q
UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls 800, Hero ???

I hate those limpers! If you ever figure out the best thing to do here, let me know, because I'm in these spots all the time and I haven't worked them out.

I'd love to iso a fit/fold player limping AK or TT because he'll fold any unfavourable flops, and a lot of flops aren't very good for those hands. With 20 BB though, it's probably going to cost us 3 BB to isolate and 3 BB to find out where we are on the flop, so not the best situation, and in early position no guarantee we can even iso in the first place. I'd definitely be doing it 30 BB deep though; here I dunno.

That's assuming he will flat our iso-raise. If I thought his plan was to limp/3bet a big percentage of the time, the only options are folding or overlimping. I like a good overlimp at passive tables! I mean, if you're ever going to overlimp when the first limper has a tight range, it seems like KQs is a good hand to do it with. The main reason I don't love it here is our position, since there are so many people behind us who could put in a big raise, which is why I'd normally want a passive table before trying it. I'm curious what other people think about overlimping these spots though I'm guessing many people will find the idea scandalous ( ); it can't be all that bad because at worst it costs us 1 BB to try to get to a flop. And if I knew the BB was a big bluffer, and some BB can't resist the opportunity to put in a big raise on limpers, then assuming our tight limper friend folds to a big raise, I'd be happily limp/3bet-jamming. If our tight limper friend calls or shoves on a big BB raise, I'd get out of the way.

So basically I think every play kinda sucks here because we're in a bad table position and have a bad stack size. But I kinda hate folding KQs in general, so I'd be looking for any alternative to that if I could find one!

The word "shove" desperately needs a place itt. It's at worst your 2nd best option. I agree that it's an interesting/important kind of spot, but let's not frame the problem as iso-vs-fold (vs limp) when shoving will always show a profit.

I prob 3x iso in play but if hes tight and your read good that hes limping most of his range maybe folding best.

edit - yea shoving prob slightly profitable

If villain's range is as V describes (strictly ahead of us), and if villain tank-called us earlier with 88 (and won, I guess, so has some idea of our shove range - though it would be interesting to know what we showed down there I guess) then I'm pretty sure shoving is easily the worst of our options. Not only can we expect villain to call with a range we don't do well against, but there are five players behind us who could also wake up with hands.

Thanks for the replies.

Obviously I considered shoving being this shallow, but didn't really like it at the time because our equity vs his calling range wouldn't be good. It's not like he will l/f a lot either because his limping range is tight to begin with. Defs has it's merits tho

Overlimp is interesting and didn't really come to mind at the time. It actually sounds better than ISOing to me because we can still own him post but we avoid valueowning ourselves pre vs a range that beats us - and we have a smaller SPR post

@Kami - I showed AK when he had 88

2222 and go from there

I wouldn't really like the overlimp since you would play 3 or 4handed (if someone didn't raise behind you) with shallow stacks. Isoraise as small as you can.