I'm going to be interviewed for the 2p2 Pokercast tonight and talking about this. As you can tell from my posts ITT, it's not going to be very uplifting. But it will be informative and will give you the facts about what's going on from an unbiased source. There's a lot of misinformation, propaganda, and opinions from people who have no idea what they're talking about floating around now.

I encourage you to download the show when it becomes available even though you'll probably feel worse after listening to it.

should be DOI imo

front page of the NY Times online:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/19/us...y.html?_r=1&hp

I didn't think your segment on QuadJacks was that depressing, it was just reality. Then again maybe you'll be saying significantly different things on the 2p2 Pokercast. Either way, it was informative and great to hear you talk about it all.

thanks for everything you do and post todd. you're certainly not obligated to do any of it (unless someones paying you to help obv), and i think many of us appreciate it more than you know. if everyone else that lurked or hasnt posted ITT yet thanked you, this thread would jump to 5k posts.

LOL at that comment. in before they enact the PATRIOT act on your ass.

but agree that facebook can be very powerful in helping our case.

+a lot, thanks Todd

Im not sure if you have mentioned this elsewhere and if you have I apologize in advance, but is your information coming from what we see in the press or do you have your own contacts?

Not questioning you or anything just wondering if the information is coming from the same sources.

I don't have any contacts. I'm just applying my knowledge of criminal law and the poker industry.


Edit: And unfortunately no is paying me, lol.

ty todd terry

I am so sick of people who come in to say "this is not going to help" and "that's not useful" "government doesn't care"

Please, if you are too lazy, lack the initiative and the imagination to see the point of DOING SOMETHING or just really think it's useless then just don't post at all. If it can't hurt then you're just being a downer and a dbag since that's the last thing we need right now. Action, when it can't hurt is almost always better than inaction imo.

If you think your voice is useless then please don't use it to discourage others who might believe otherwise. ffs, don't be that guy.


It's called marshal law. Desperate times call for desperate measures because it's not funny when some troll causes a bunch of people to off themselves.

i guess sir, what i meant by my post is that facebook campaigns and calling congressmen cannot alter the outcome of this. Instead of us all thinking about what can we do now to stop this, we should really be thinking about how to get legislation passed in the future to make online poker completely legal.

1. compelling, iron clad evidence that gambling on poker does not ruin everyone, or even the majority of those who do it
2. a plan that shows that online gaming can be regulated by a control board, taxed and generate much needed revenue for states and the fed govt
3. an organization founded by online gamblers to help online gamblers who do have a true addiction and are throwing their lives away.
4. leadership that has legal experience and past lobbying experience in washington
5. concrete estimates and numbers on the sheer amount of tax revenue
6. a respected company to be the "flagship" of online poker...say harrahs or MGM
7. an olive branch to religious fundamentalists, ask what we need to give in order to get there approval. maybe so much of the winnings to gambling awareness programs or christian ministries (believe, the church is your biggest enemy)
8. prove this game isn't full of cheaters who are lurking in the shadows
9. real deposit limits in place, loss limits, so people can't go off the deep end, maybe based of off declared income...ect. if you make 30k, you can't put more than 3k in a year...ect.

if we want the back, all of these things might need to be put in place to appease all our enemies.

why don't you do the thinking about the long run and let whoever feels like doing something about the current situation do it? It's not like there is a shortage of unemployed poker players right now.

while the future of online poker is your major concern, others are more worried about how they will be paying their bills come the end of the month so excuse me if we're not thinking 10 steps ahead.

in terms of the end goal of online poker being "legal" in the US (as in the UIGEA not applying to online poker) isn't the bank fraud charge pretty much whatever.

i mean if it goes to trial and the site CEOs are convicted of only bank fraud and acquitted of all the charges related to UIGEA isn't that the same, in terms of legal precedence, as being acquitted on all charges?

sure it might sink PS and FTP, but wouldn't a site like Party be more willing to re-enter the market knowing that there is legal precedence that says online poker does not equal illegal gambling as it pertains to the UIGEA.

i don't know much about the legal system and case law etc, but just a thought.

i think at this point i'm either rooting for 1) the sites to say LOL DoJ, CEOs hideout forever, and re-enter the US market tmrw or 2) go to trial and hope for the best with regard to the UIGEA-related counts. if it takes 2 or 3 years so be it. by then maybe i'll have enough experience in corporate america that i can get back into online poker in the USA on the other side of things (processing payments, etc).

sigh

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...s-charged.html

was just reading that. anyone want to set new line for wsop main

There was an explicit announcement yesterday that ESPN is covering the WSOP. I don't think that article, which is vague, contradicts that. I think it's about them pulling the plug on the Stars infomercial NAPT broadcasts. But I could be wrong.

If ESPN declines to do it do we think another channel will step in?

didnt see this posted yet.
richard roeper, mostly known as the movie reviewer, wrote an article for the sun times that shed light on the online-pro struggle.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/roeper/...ab-stake-stake

Cant wait for the 2p2 podcast to be up.

dude, most of us are thinking every day how to pay the bills at the end of the month, its called life. yeah, this is a bad bad thing for you i get it, some of us actually work 60 hours a week in decent jobs and still have to decide on which utility we can skip for the next 30 days. its rough out there for everyone. Sorry if this is the end of your world, but some people have been worried about money a lot longer than the last two days. The next 15 years doesn't look good for me with long term debt and other issues from mistakes when i was your age, but i won't take your head off if you tell me i should have planned better. thats life kid, deal with it.

you said you are 21...and the fact that this is your income makes me believe you really aren't part of the world that most of us are. When the DOJ brings a charge like this, the outcome is pretty much pre-determined. TT, is the other attorney who posted right that DOJ has never lost a case?

You can call me a troll or whatever Desp. I guess if you want to think about what to do now, you can do it all you wish.

personally, if i want to make suggestions about what we might need to do long term to make this work, then i should be able to.

LOL, no.


Edit: But they don't lose very often.

Ok man, I'm not 21, not a poker pro, not an american citizen and I have a job that pays a breakevenish salary and even though I lost 75% of my net worth to this disaster(assuming I receive my tax returns), have sacrificed my entire social life and well being for poker in the last 8 or so months and even though I have no idea now how ill be paying for med school reapplication fees if I don't get in this cycle and have no idea how I will pay for travel expenses to go home and get my visa sorted out if I do get in. despite all that I have the sense to realize that my situation is not nearly as bad as that of other players who depended completely on poker for a living and have responsibilities to take care of. So, no, I don't think you really get how bad this os for some people out there. I an not nearly as upset at my situation as I am at theirs. So please stop patronizing me. I assure you I have been through enough experience, suffering and disasters in my 24 years of life to have a pretty good idea what this world is about.

ESPN is still going to broadcast the WSOP.

http://twitter.com/ESPN_Poker/status/59724700938551296

tt killing it itt.

youre a huge asset to us/these boards. thanks for doing what you do here. gl with the liveaments.