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interesting multi-way riv spot out of SB interesting multi-way riv spot out of SB

10-19-2015 , 02:01 PM
PokerStars - $150+$12|50/100 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 5,400 (VPIP: 23.40, PFR: 10.64, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 47)
UTG+1: 4,790 (VPIP: 35.09, PFR: 17.54, 3Bet Preflop: 12.90, Hands: 57)
MP: 5,235 (VPIP: 29.82, PFR: 17.54, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 57)
MP+1: 8,058 (VPIP: 28.07, PFR: 17.54, 3Bet Preflop: 13.79, Hands: 57)
MP+2: 15,590 (VPIP: 17.24, PFR: 8.77, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 58)
CO: 3,705 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 50)
BTN: 5,580 (VPIP: 26.53, PFR: 18.37, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 49)
Hero (SB): 8,690
BB: 2,485 (VPIP: 21.67, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 60)

Hero posts SB 50, BB posts BB 100

Pre Flop: (pot: 150) Hero has 9 T

fold, fold, MP raises to 300, fold, MP+2 calls 300, CO calls 300, fold, Hero calls 250, fold

Flop: (1,300, 4 players) 6 T 8
Hero checks, MP bets 600, MP+2 calls 600, fold, Hero calls 600

Turn: (3,100, 3 players) K
Hero checks, MP bets 1,300, MP+2 calls 1,300, Hero calls 1,300

River: (7,000, 3 players) Q
Hero bets 3,200

how would you size here to get max value from MP+2? should have gone larger?
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10-19-2015 , 03:42 PM
Looks like it was played well. You could have c/r the turn to 2,600 and led out for bigger on the river. A backdoor FD is usually a very good disguise. Since you didn't c/r the turn, the only other thing I can see is a bigger bet on the river, maybe 3/4 of the pot or even an overbet could have been called depending on your read.
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10-19-2015 , 05:08 PM
I think is a good bet size , a bigger bet seems like much strenght and a made hand./Why did u not c/r turn ,by that u bring more honey in to the pot.
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10-19-2015 , 06:22 PM
I want to c/r flop, not really sure bout calling. As played, torn between c/r, or bombing river

Last edited by AmpeFund; 10-19-2015 at 06:28 PM.
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10-19-2015 , 07:03 PM
Id go a little bigger if i decided to lead river.
I think check jamming river is pretty interesting too. Do we expect villains to bet/call with a set?
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10-19-2015 , 07:12 PM
IMO checking river is a pretty big mistake, we look pretty darn strong calling pre/overcalling flop and turn so I would expect either Villain to x/b this "scary" river a lot with AA/AK/KQ/KT/66/88/TT.

MP only has 3k behind otr so he's not going to fold too easily to my lead with any of those hands, but may well x/b with them.
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10-19-2015 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Deanuzz
Do we expect villains to bet/call with a set?
I think that would be really spew of them. Pretty sure the worst hand in my range here is KT, otherwise I have 66/88/TT, J9s, maybe 97s, and potentially some backdoor flush stuff like my exact hand or maybe an AJss.
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10-19-2015 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson
I think that would be really spew of them. Pretty sure the worst hand in my range here is KT, otherwise I have 66/88/TT, J9s, maybe 97s, and potentially some backdoor flush stuff like my exact hand or maybe an AJss.
Villain has all sets except QQ. He also has a couple nut flushes. I don't think you're repping sets at all c/r this riv after c/c flop. You rarely get to riv with flushes imo.
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10-19-2015 , 08:24 PM
wp
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10-19-2015 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson
I think that would be really spew of them. Pretty sure the worst hand in my range here is KT, otherwise I have 66/88/TT, J9s, maybe 97s, and potentially some backdoor flush stuff like my exact hand or maybe an AJss.
many of these hands c/r turn, there`re enough worse hands they could value bet or bluff to make splitting your river range questionable let alone sizing you`ve chosen.
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10-20-2015 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by user12345
many of these hands c/r turn
don't agree, maybe TT but c/r 66/88 to gii ott seems not good given range narrowing, going to run into set-over-set vs. MP2 a decent chunk of the time. i don't believe I should have a turn c/r range here at all. think my sets can c/r flop but not turn vs. this action.

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Originally Posted by user12345
there`re enough worse hands they could value bet or bluff to make splitting your river range questionable
given how few flushes and straights I have here none of the hands they're value-betting if I check are folding to this lead plus some of their weakest value holdings like KQ/KT/66 are w/e calling so I don't see how checking can be correct.

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Originally Posted by user12345
let alone sizing you`ve chosen.
what sizing do you want me to use?
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10-20-2015 , 01:22 AM
none of them looks strong ott.
I mixed-up MP and Mp1 stack sizes so given spr for MP I think his range won`t differ a lot whether you check or lead (not sure yet he would call wider unless they`re both bad fishes) and I think you lose value vs MP2 when he has a hand(which I think he won`t have often) so I don`t really understand what you`re trying to achieve esp with that sizing.
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10-20-2015 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by user12345
none of them looks strong ott.
none of what? none of the Villains or none of the hands?

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Originally Posted by user12345
I think you lose value vs MP2 when he has a hand(which I think he won`t have often)
what hands do you think he bets when checked to that I fold out with this lead?

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Originally Posted by user12345
esp with that sizing.
what sizing do you like? smaller? asking for third time
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10-20-2015 , 02:22 AM
actually I see your point about their ranges now user. but I'm still not sure there are hands MP2 bets for value when checked to that fold to my riv lead.
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10-22-2015 , 06:56 PM
Its not that they'll fold the hands when we lead its just whether we can get all the chips vs mp2 or not. Can we get the lot by leading river allin or is it better to check, let him bet a sizing and then we put the rest in. With the sizing you've chosen i think you have the least chance of getting all the chips.
Still unsure whether lead jam or c/jam is better.
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10-22-2015 , 08:49 PM
This is a greedy unbalanced lead. I don't like it for a few reasons:

Your checking range gets weaker when you lead so far up. You have your 5th best hand that reaches the river unless you call flop with A9ss or A7ss, but I don't really like that so much.

You might get called by 1p hands that aren't betting river such as KJ, AK etc, but that's not many combos and they might not even bet flop.

When you lead, you're so polarised, so hands don't really bluff raise and you just get called by strong hands. These hands you would lose out on value that would have b/c your
x/jam, because guess what, you are just as polarised when you x/jam.


Rest of the hand is good though.
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10-23-2015 , 05:58 AM
Overcalling twice + leading river is never a bluff but since its a backdoor draw its harder to put you on a flush. I think this is very WP overall.
C/jam turn is fine if mp had more chips. You are obv not folding vs this bet.
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10-23-2015 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by gregz41
This is a greedy unbalanced lead. I don't like it for a few reasons:

Your checking range gets weaker when you lead so far up. You have your 5th best hand that reaches the river unless you call flop with A9ss or A7ss, but I don't really like that so much. .
Not saying leading is right play, but balancing ranges really isn't all that relevant in mtts, since it's so hard for other players to build up a usable sample size against you. Even though taking the most optimal (and less balanced) line every hand can in theory be exploited, rarely will that happen, imo
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