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03-25-2008 , 10:16 PM
Anyone who isnt saying 100% is stupid. Never get it in pf, AA vs. KK doesnt matter just see flops and and get to rivers when you know for sure if you win. Only way its exploitable is if your HU opponent or final 2-3 players push every hand.
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03-25-2008 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Jurollo
Anyone who isnt saying 100% is stupid.
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Only way its exploitable is if your HU opponent or final 2-3 players push every hand.
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03-25-2008 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ZJ123
no way its that high. you can get sucked out on people ( AA < KK???).... like 85%
lol, how dumb can a 2 time ept final tabler be?

wow, just wow, lol.

I'd win it 100% of the time.
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03-25-2008 , 10:28 PM
thx for pouring on stealthmunk, obv wasnt thinking at the time.
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03-25-2008 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Jurollo
Anyone who isnt saying 100% is stupid. Never get it in pf, AA vs. KK doesnt matter just see flops and and get to rivers when you know for sure if you win. Only way its exploitable is if your HU opponent or final 2-3 players push every hand.
lol, hate to agree with jurollo but ya , anyone not saying 100% is v stupid.
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03-25-2008 , 10:32 PM
Cmon stealthmunk, I cleverly pointed out how Jurollo essentially called himself stupid, and then you have to agree with him?
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03-25-2008 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by THAY3R
Cmon stealthmunk, I cleverly pointed out how Jurollo essentially called himself stupid, and then you have to agree with him?
lol @ this entire thread.


i wish we could prop this, I'd lay 10000:1 that I'd win the main event with this ability.
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03-25-2008 , 10:38 PM
I think everyone saying 100% is ******ed. Just the chance that once you get heads up and he shoves every single hand is enough to make it less than 100%. Yes you will have a huge chip lead but theres still a small chance he wins every single hand. I will concede the chances are like 99.9+% but its impossible to be 100%.
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03-25-2008 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 4ObliVioN4
I think everyone saying 100% is ******ed. Just the chance that once you get heads up and he shoves every single hand is enough to make it less than 100%. Yes you will have a huge chip lead but theres still a small chance he wins every single hand. I will concede the chances are like 99.9+% but its impossible to be 100%.
Why would the guy shove every hand? Nobody shoves every hand. Nobody adjusts.

This reminds me of a prop bet I had with TT_Fold, on me being a winner at 1-2nl when I can only minraise. He said "Why don't these idiots just minblock bet every river!" lololol@thinking people would ever adjust.

Either way, when I get heads up, I'll have like all the chips in play because I'll be literally soul reading everyone for 7days. Playing phil hellmuth small ball till the river, and 5x overbet pot value betting rivers with middle pair.

99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 999999999999etc. %sure. Obviously there is a chance I wouldn't play optimally, or that villian might adjust, but its so negligible you say 100%.
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03-25-2008 , 10:46 PM
If at any point you cannot be the aggressor postflop, that is when you have a chance of losing.
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03-25-2008 , 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 4ObliVioN4
I think everyone saying 100% is ******ed. Just the chance that once you get heads up and he shoves every single hand is enough to make it less than 100%. Yes you will have a huge chip lead but theres still a small chance he wins every single hand. I will concede the chances are like 99.9+% but its impossible to be 100%.
Yeah I have to lean towards agreeing with this - to come on here and say something like "anyone who doesn't say 100% is stupid" is just absurd. This is the kind of statement that just lets a person's ignorance shine through and is a ridiculous over-generalization.

Also keep in mind that your opponents KNOW that you have this knowledge. Many strong/reasonable players will obviously adapt their games accordingly. Sure, they can do very little to counter your knowledge of their cards but they will surely not be playing ABC poker against you. SH and HU "miracles" could happen. What are you just going to keep folding when HU opp shoves time after time? Only call KK+ or what? What if that hand gets busted? What if you pick up garbage hands for an hour and the blinds are significant?

TOTALLY not 100% certainty you guys need to get a grip. Very high nineties for the best players. Please.
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03-25-2008 , 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by gobboboy
If at any point you cannot be the aggressor postflop, that is when you have a chance of losing.
You can fold the best hand gobbo! Reverse implied odds are exactly what they are! ffs, its like all of 2p2 would make terrible superusers.
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03-25-2008 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by tiltymcfish0
Yeah I have to lean towards agreeing with this - to come on here and say something like "anyone who doesn't say 100% is stupid" is just absurd. This is the kind of statement that just lets a person's ignorance shine through and is a ridiculous over-generalization.

Also keep in mind that your opponents KNOW that you have this knowledge. Many strong/reasonable players will obviously adapt their games accordingly. Sure, they can do very little to counter your knowledge of their cards but they will surely not be playing ABC poker against you. SH and HU "miracles" could happen. What are you just going to keep folding when HU opp shoves time after time? Only call KK+ or what? What if that hand gets busted? What if you pick up garbage hands for an hour and the blinds are significant?

TOTALLY not 100% certainty you guys need to get a grip. Very high nineties for the best players. Please.
I'd lay 100:1 all day I win hahahahahahhaha you guys are all such theoretical fish. I would never have my tourney life at risk all tourney. hahahahahaa.

i mean, its kind of stupid arguing over a really really hypothetical scenario (guess not so hypothetical with AP/UB) but its definitely 100% for any player with a clue.
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03-25-2008 , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by stealthmunk
I'd lay 100:1 all day I win hahahahahahhaha you guys are all such theoretical fish. I would never have my tourney life at risk all tourney. hahahahahaa.

i mean, its kind of stupid arguing over a really really hypothetical scenario (guess not so hypothetical with AP/UB) but its definitely 100% for any player with a clue.
I thought it was 10,000:1 ??? Now it's 100:1 ?? Buddy I would take 10k but not 100... why are you laying less now though? Hmmmm.
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03-25-2008 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by tiltymcfish0
I thought it was 10,000:1 ??? Now it's 100:1 ?? Buddy I would take 10k but not 100... why are you laying less now though? Hmmmm.
It was 10,000:1, I said 100:1 in response to you saying that it is 90, high 90's some. (I know for someone as dumb as you its hard to translate laying odds into % chance to win, but it was wishful thinking on my part)

Obviously I'd search for a better price on my massively +EV purely hypothetical prop bet.

Congratulations! You are dumber than Jurollo!
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03-25-2008 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by stealthmunk
but its definitely 100% for any player with a clue.
You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

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03-25-2008 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by THAY3R
You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

baaahahahaha okey dokey
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03-25-2008 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by IWEARGOGGLES
100% obviously.

You can call any PFR, you can steal the blinds super often.
its obv not 100%
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03-25-2008 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by stealthmunk

Obviously I'd search for a better price on my massively +EV purely hypothetical prop bet.

ssssssshhhhhhure you would
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03-25-2008 , 11:15 PM
It's obv not exactly 100% because there's a chance someone at every table you play at gets dealt AA every hand and the board always comes AA258. Also, there's variance in the end game where you have no choice but to get it AIPF eventually--granted you'll probably have a huge chip lead by this point.

It's gotta be really close, tho.
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03-25-2008 , 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by NoahSD
It's obv not exactly 100% because there's a chance someone at every table you play at gets dealt AA every hand and the board always comes AA258. Also, there's variance in the end game where you have no choice but to get it AIPF eventually--granted you'll probably have a huge chip lead by this point.

It's gotta be really close, tho.
Noah brings up a good point, it literally CANNOT be 100%.
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03-25-2008 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by gobboboy
Ultimate Bet?
hahahahahah omg this is soo amazing good gob jobbo
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03-25-2008 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by NoahSD
It's obv not exactly 100% because there's a chance someone at every table you play at gets dealt AA every hand and the board always comes AA258. Also, there's variance in the end game where you have no choice but to get it AIPF eventually--granted you'll probably have a huge chip lead by this point.

It's gotta be really close, tho.
Yeah, but you obv have 34s for the straight flush everytime!
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03-26-2008 , 12:04 AM
I must've missed this AP/UB thing while I took 2 years off. Link or something?
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03-26-2008 , 12:08 AM
>99.2

<99.99
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