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04-16-2026 , 11:26 AM
Or GTOw ... I'm getting ready to do some final table analyzing before the WSOP and I am finally taking the leap. I already have the GTOw but it's constraints with presets kind of bother me. I could jump into the Uber premo mode but was thinking it would be better to go with one of the traditional desktop softwares instead. What do you think?

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04-23-2026 , 02:57 AM
HRC is the standard for serious final table work. I've used it for deep analysis on 9-max structures and the customization beats ICMizer for anything beyond basic push/fold. The learning curve is real but if you're prepping for WSOP structures specifically it's worth the week or two to get comfortable with it.
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04-23-2026 , 09:36 AM
I use HRC for preflop in tandem with GTO+ for postflop spots, but that's mainly because I don't want to pay for the premium version of GTOwizard that includes full icm functionality. If you're already paying for GTO wizard I would probably just use that, since it's got everything you need all in one program. Really though any of the three programs you listed are good options. It just depends what's most important to you.

Would you rather have a database so you can quickly go through many spots Choose gtowiz.

Would you rather have the most customization functionality to run unique spots yourself Choose HRC.

ICMizer might be the simplest interface and is good for running your own spots as well.
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04-25-2026 , 04:33 AM
A friend of mine said that GTO LAB is the nuts. Does all the old school ICM machines do to much greater accuracy than GTO Wizard.

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04-25-2026 , 11:24 AM
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A friend of mine said that GTO LAB is the nuts. Does all the old school ICM machines do to much greater accuracy than GTO Wizard.

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It's got an ICM trainer that is a great way to practice final table ICM spots. I've worked the 3 free spots per day into my routine. The user interface is impressive.

They also have a postflop library of chip EV solves for paid users. I haven't tried that function but my assumption would be that it is likely simpler and more user-friendly than GTOwiz, but also more limited in it's functionality. I think you can also run your own preflop ICM solves, but I haven't tried that either.

The main downside of GTO lab is just that it's expensive. Right now the pro version is listed as 20% off and it's still $120/month if you pay monthly. Actually I might sign up for one month to prep for the WSOP, as the videos from Jonathan Jaffe and Nick P (have no idea how to spell his last name) likely have a lot of value too. It's tough to stomach as a recurring expense though unless you're playing high stakes.
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04-27-2026 , 12:31 AM
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A friend of mine said that GTO LAB is the nuts. Does all the old school ICM machines do to much greater accuracy than GTO Wizard.
GTO LAB's ICM trainer is actually really good for building reps, the free daily spots are worth doing consistently. For deep prep on a specific structure like a WSOP final table though, HRC lets you model exact payout ladders, stack depths, and ante changes in ways the web tools still can't match. Depends whether you need practice volume or precision analysis on a known structure.
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05-06-2026 , 04:44 AM
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I use HRC for preflop in tandem with GTO+ for postflop spots, but that's mainly because I don't want to pay for the premium version of GTOwizard that includes full icm functionality.
That HRC + GTO+ combo is underrated for keeping costs down. The only thing I'd add is that if you're doing a lot of final table sim work specifically, HRC's ability to model ICM across custom payout structures is hard to replicate in GTOw even at the premium tier. For general preflop ICM spots GTOw is fine, but for deep WSOP final table prep with weird pay jumps I still find HRC the cleaner tool.
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05-06-2026 , 05:47 AM
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I use HRC for preflop in tandem with GTO+ for postflop spots, but that's mainly because I don't want to pay for the premium version of GTOwizard that includes full icm functionality.
That HRC + GTO+ combo is underrated for keeping costs down. The only thing I'd add is that if you're doing a lot of final table sim work specifically, HRC's ability to model ICM across custom payout structures is hard to replicate in GTOw even at the premium tier. For general preflop ICM spots GTOw is fine, but for deep WSOP final table prep with weird pay jumps I still find HRC the cleaner tool.
Yeah HRC is great for if you want to check a specific scenario you found yourself in, or for if you want to model novel formats. I do appreciate that functionality, and it's the gold standard for preflop ICM for a reason. That being said, for most players I think there might be more practical utility in being able to drill and explore lots of spots quickly to develop their intuition for them, which GTOwiz and GTO lab are good for.

Regarding GTO+, it really doesn't get nearly enough love from people online. It's an outstanding program for modeling postflop heads up play. The more I use it, the more I love and appreciate it. You can even enter payout structures and run postflop final table ICM sims, which I never even hear anyone acknowledge when they're discussing it online.

I've barely scratched the surface of it's functionality, but if you're willing to put some work in and really go deep it can help you become an outstanding poker player, and for a $75 one-time payment it's unbeatable.

In the past I mostly only used GTO+ to check occasional postflop spots where I was uncertain, but this year while prepping for the WSOP I'm trying to utilize it for some more systematic study.

There are some flop subsets that are pre-saved within the program. I'm starting with the simplest subset, which is 15 flops, and I'm going through them one by one in the days leading up to the series. I'm solving multiple range configurations, like UTG vs BB, button vs BB, CO vs BTN call, etc. I'm comparing results at different stack depths too.

Then GTO+ also allows you to play against the solution to drill it. Plus there are custom graphs and heat maps for turns and rivers. That's not to mention all the features I'm not even using, like being able to import preflop ranges and script multiple solutions so your computer solves them all overnight or whatever.

GTO+ is fantastic. I just wish I had a better memory to keep up with the computer. Haha.
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