I 3 bet/folded BvB first orbit and then 3 bet him 3 times during the next 4 hours. My turn shove is 70% of the pot and I would do that with entire range because I thought he was weak and would not call.

My only regret is not calling the clock around the 2 minute tank mark as I think that would have gotten a fold more often.

k np thnx.



3betting him once every 6 times that he opens?

seems active but not relentless, especially if you're not floating.

close, but i think OP could have found a fold in two spots (pre/riv) with A8s.

lol, lol

ok, riv was typo

I was going to post this spot from my perspective but sal beat me to posting this thread. I'm in the bb with 930k and QTo and didn't have the heart to 4b/f. Gg.

Another helpful illustation why SB's small 3-bet can't be viewed solely in context of whether BTN should flat or not. Unta may have been more tempted here to 4-bet against smaller SB then against larger one.

ya but 130k over 50k is fine and much different then over 65k

yes, i meant in context of OP's misstated post that everyone was arguing about

Wow suxatpoker rly crushes this thread
But yea flatting 3bs to try and do this post flop at 20bb is just not gonna work v well for you you forgot the times it comes q82 and you jam over his cbet and post here being like zomg bad beat
Or the times you try and float on 224 and he shoves turn you fold and just burned half you stack
Nice brag thou congrats on the score

B/4Bjam with A8s 6 handed just doesn't happen nearly as often live as it should OR as often as it does online. Had hero perceived V as less agro, he probably b/f pre and doesn't post.

The analysis has been very insightful but I do think this is a specific situation where live poker diverges from online. While the analytical play is to jam, maybe OP's question started with "is calling the 3b pre better than folding to an agro live pro?" Personally, I probably fold more often than jamming in this spot pre-flop.

Calling>folding

IMO preflop for OP Push > call > fold to 3-bet.

I think it may be OK to flat 3-bet with some hands even to this sizing with position and pot odds.

I assume BB was 3-bet/folding. This might be OK if OP rarely 4-bets, but maybe better for him to flat the raise or just shove.

get thereeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Shove pre. What do you do if you call and miss?

the fe increase when sb s range is wider
nothing changes for 0.5 b

I got extremely lucky that the flop texture benefitted me pretty well in this spot. In the future, running through a bunch of different scenarios, taking the hand down pre is way safer and a better strategy. A8hh on the button 6 handed folding the first 3 spots is a top range hand IMO, and a 4/b to a player I respect, BUT, suspect will be 3/b light more than not is the better play.

I appreciate the feedback from everyone and I learned a valuable lesson. I am just lucky to learn and at the same time have won a nice MTT in the process.

Also, BOL to you JEFF in the future. Hope to FT with you again sooner than not, and maybe be seated to your left next time haha. You played really well to get to where you finished, but i'm sure you wanted 1st just as bad as me. GG

6b/f all day.

Fixed.

thread makes me happy theres still money in mtts when all the "regs" think like that about this spot

post makes me unhappy when you're a smart kid that could/does make a contribution but has recently resorted to trolling.

exactly which part are you objecting to? the part before we had the correct blinds or after? and which opinions?

you're not best poster on this forum lissi, but you could be.

Decided to look at this post since it is from a well respected poster. Just as an example.

How come that betgo makes the best post itt

you are arguing the opposite of betgo who doesn't like flatting against this V, so i don't get it.

otoh if you believe A8s is good against V range and you expect him to unload the clip light post then flatting is cool. it's risky, but if BB was considering a light 4bet (bitethebulletsir!!) then everyone seemed to have a similar live read that V was wide here and aggressive - so flatting is at least viable and at best superbly profitable.

but I wouldn't be setting ranges based on V 3betting the guy immediately to his left once or twice per hour. that's bog standard, it's not relentless. i also wouldn't be surprised if V actually had AK/AQ on at least a couple of other recent 3bets. and Hero tanked for 5 minutes so it's suddenly a tough call and folding here would be an absolute disaster, so jamming pre with reads is probably a better option for Hero in an uncertain spot with payjumps. and i'm folding (pre) readless.

i'm just gonna disagree with what you say since i don't believe we can turn a 2.5 bb profit postflop without severe ICM implications being involved. Prove me wrong.

Betgo makes some excellent posts at times.

lissi are you saying the u think flat>shove>fold? or are you simply trying to make an argument that flat>fold?