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11-11-2011 , 09:01 PM
Im playing live tourneys on a daily basis.
I seem to always bubble tourneys. I play 45 man sit n gos and they pay top 5 places, yesterday i came in on 7th, today on 8th. I never accumulate enough chips to be chip leader, but i always seem to have enough to hold through. I am a mix between being a rock and TAG. I usually play the KQ,QJ,TQ hand when on position but fold to any pressure. I tend to not be aggressive as players i play with are calling stations / Beginners. I seem to not be able how to find a way to gain tons of chips, im scared to be to aggressive to this punks.

My question is what can i do to be more aggressive but still being careful?

Or a way to try to surpass the bubble?

I know my tightness wont pay off so i need to do something about this!

Also, what is the basic roll for playing sit n go's?

And whats the percentage that a tourney grinder should be cashing/winning a tourney
?
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11-11-2011 , 10:08 PM
Are you always being KO'ed as a shortstack?
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11-11-2011 , 11:56 PM
Open up your game? Steal in spots where you can.
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11-12-2011 , 03:55 AM
Standard 3 45mans is huge dwnswing with ppl ur same skill lvl
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11-12-2011 , 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by HUboss
Im playing live tourneys on a daily basis.
I seem to always bubble tourneys. I play 45 man sit n gos and they pay top 5 places,
Where are u playing? stars is payout for top7?

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yesterday i came in on 7th, today on 8th. I never accumulate enough chips to be chip leader,
Ur probably to passive. Not shoving wide enough.

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but i always seem to have enough to hold through.
Hold thro with a short stack?

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I am a mix between being a rock and TAG. I usually play the KQ,QJ,TQ hand when on position but fold to any pressure. I tend to not be aggressive as players i play with are calling stations / Beginners. I seem to not be able how to find a way to gain tons of chips, im scared to be to aggressive to this punks.
Post hands! Its impossible to answer.

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My question is what can i do to be more aggressive but still being careful?
Post hands! Its impossible to answer.

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Or a way to try to surpass the bubble?
Dont be afraid to bubble in a 45man. Payout structure is so topheavy that it dosnt matter that much wether or not u sneak into the money.

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I know my tightness wont pay off so i need to do something about this!

Also, what is the basic roll for playing sit n go's?
Push/Fold

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And whats the percentage that a tourney grinder should be cashing/winning a tourney?
Dont concentrate on that. Just focus on making the right decisions. Then this will take care of it self. But I say going itm like 15%

Last edited by mckrogh; 11-12-2011 at 05:47 AM. Reason: Maybe this should be moved to mttsng forum...
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11-12-2011 , 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by mckrogh
Post hands! Its impossible to answer.
This and

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Originally Posted by mckrogh
Post hands! Its impossible to answer.
this.

It is possible for a winning player to break even for more than 1,000 45-man tournaments straight. Its unlikely you will play enough to have a significant sample size of tourneys to draw any conclusions about your play. 2 of them is certainly not going to tell you anything. Your best bet is to find specific leaks to fix.

Post hands, gl.
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11-12-2011 , 08:21 AM
Don't blind yourself out, as a guide anything under 10BB's is a shove (although nothing wrong with being creative once you get into winning ways) If you can't shove with a hand then don't be calling with it short stacked. Your pushing range should be much wider than your calling range. Try and get your chips in first and use your position, I'd much rather push 98s on the button than be calling AK - (although I'm not saying I wouldn't call
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11-12-2011 , 08:23 AM
And never give up, don't be shoving the last of your chips with rags, wait for a spot that is to your advantage - either a decent hand or a decent spot where you think your opponents will fold.
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11-12-2011 , 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Ovalman
Don't blind yourself out, as a guide anything under 10BB's is a shove (although nothing wrong with being creative once you get into winning ways) If you can't shove with a hand then don't be calling with it short stacked. Your pushing range should be much wider than your calling range. Try and get your chips in first and use your position, I'd much rather push 98s on the button than be calling AK - (although I'm not saying I wouldn't call
This is terribad advice. Do not follow.
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11-13-2011 , 05:50 PM
Anything within 8-14 bb's first to act, im shoving, blind vs blind im shoving with that same 8-14 bb's, also take into account effective stack sizes, and when bubble comes around thats when u wanna be super aggro, ppl will fold more than u can believe. Holla
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11-13-2011 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by LetemHavIt
Are you always being KO'ed as a shortstack?
I dont blind off, but is hard to find spots as a shortstack. So i usually lose on flips either by better hands. I feel like i dont have control in finishing tourney. Like after the final 9 is up to luck for me to win
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11-13-2011 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by teamwillow
Open up your game? Steal in spots where you can.
I try but this people are calling stations.
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11-14-2011 , 03:25 AM
If people reference stealing, it's generally cutoff/BTN, in which case....opponents
calling wide is BRILLIANT (yes better than them folding preflop)
Because you have position, the initiative, and can put easy pressure on them postflop
to make them fold their wide range.

If you're stealing in the small blind and expecting a call often in the big blind, then just make a simple
adjustment by limping more hands

Especially in easy live games it's fine, instead of stealing, to limp cutoff and button with hands like 9To , K5o , where you can take it away from
them with bets on easy boards
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11-14-2011 , 03:31 AM
You need to stop being risk averse and ignore any of the normal plays your opponents
are making (you need to reinforce this, you are your OWN player) and just play like an internet boss with a few adjustments
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11-14-2011 , 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by entim
You need to stop being risk averse and ignore any of the normal plays your opponents
are making (you need to reinforce this, you are your OWN player) and just play like an internet boss with a few adjustments
Thanks i appreciate it!
Im getting ready to go to sleep to own the tourney tomorrow.. Good luck wish should help!
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11-14-2011 , 04:03 AM
GL take it down
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11-14-2011 , 06:16 AM
GL sir
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11-14-2011 , 12:45 PM
Thx people! Today is the day. Lets see how it goes!
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11-14-2011 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mtgalex
This is terribad advice. Do not follow.
What part is terrible advice (or is it all bad advice?)

I don't mind being corrected as I'm always willing to listen but you've been critical without giving a solution yourself.
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11-14-2011 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Ovalman
Don't blind yourself out, as a guide anything under 10BB's is a shove (although nothing wrong with being creative once you get into winning ways) If you can't shove with a hand then don't be calling with it short stacked. Your pushing range should be much wider than your calling range. Try and get your chips in first and use your position, I'd much rather push 98s on the button than be calling AK - (although I'm not saying I wouldn't call
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Originally Posted by Ovalman
And never give up, don't be shoving the last of your chips with rags, wait for a spot that is to your advantage - either a decent hand or a decent spot where you think your opponents will fold.
I agree this is terrible advice...you realize that you contradict yourself?? "As a guide anything under 10bbs is a shove" "Dont be shoving the last of your chips with rags"

If I have rags under 10 bbs what do I do?

Why would you rather shove 98s than call with AK?? Not saying 98s is a bad shove...but i'm snap air humping calling with AK in all situations in a 45 man.

I was a full time mtt grinder and I would shove ATC utg quite often

@HUboss: From what you have said you are playing with fish who call anything. Well just start shove shove shoving away. Start to tighten up when your <25bb and don't play things your not willing to commit your stack to.

<12BB don't open or call a raise unless your all in pre flop

<7BB wait till you have anything that has something of value...suited Q, K high, def A high. Unless you are getting close to the blinds, if you find yourself @ 6-7BB utg then buckle up and just shove your hand, you can't afford to lose anymore blinds.

Adjust your ranges based on your opponants, if they are very loose then tighten your range, if they are tight then loosen up. There is no one way to play tournament poker and for you to become a winning player you must be willing to play all styles of poker. Just learn how to read the dynamics and flow of the game and adjust your play accordingly
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11-15-2011 , 08:47 AM
Prime example below of why such general question cannot be answered correctly! Post hands!

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Originally Posted by Ovalman
Don't blind yourself out, as a guide anything under 10BB's is a shove (although nothing wrong with being creative once you get into winning ways)
Fine is a guideline. But se how vague this is? Post hands OP!

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If you can't shove with a hand then don't be calling with it short stacked.
This is not true. Sometimes this can be the case. But again, u will get more qualified answers if u post hands.

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Your pushing range should be much wider than your calling range.
True as a default.

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Try and get your chips in first and use your position, I'd much rather push 98s on the button than be calling AK - (although I'm not saying I wouldn't call
The point here is fine.

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Originally Posted by Ovalman
And never give up, don't be shoving the last of your chips with rags, wait for a spot that is to your advantage - either a decent hand or a decent spot where you think your opponents will fold.
Not quite true. Sometimes u just need to go with it! Again, post hands!

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Originally Posted by mtgalex
This is terribad advice. Do not follow.
Theres really no terrible advice in these post. Its more a outcome of an vague OP. Vague questions, weak answers!

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Originally Posted by Running Uphill
I agree this is terrible advice...you realize that you contradict yourself?? "As a guide anything under 10bbs is a shove" "Dont be shoving the last of your chips with rags"

If I have rags under 10 bbs what do I do?

Why would you rather shove 98s than call with AK??
It was just a point dude! But u should realize when u shove u have to way of winning and when calling u have only one way of winning!

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Not saying 98s is a bad shove...but i'm snap air humping calling with AK in all situations in a 45 man.
Again, no u are not! There are situations in a 45man where it can be okay to fold AK.

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I was a full time mtt grinder and I would shove ATC utg quite often
Sometimes a man gotta do what a man gotta do!

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@HUboss: From what you have said you are playing with fish who call anything. Well just start shove shove shoving away. Start to tighten up when your <25bb and don't play things your not willing to commit your stack to.
This is completely nonsense. OFC u can do things with <25bb without being commited!

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<12BB don't open or call a raise unless your all in pre flop
Again, this is not true. It depends on the situation, which is why OP and everyone else should post HANDS!

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<7BB wait till you have anything that has something of value...suited Q, K high, def A high.
Lol, it depends on a lot of other things. Position, villians, stage of the game ect. Again, post HANDS op! This dosnt help u at all.

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Unless you are getting close to the blinds, if you find yourself @ 6-7BB utg then buckle up and just shove your hand, you can't afford to lose anymore blinds.
No, dont just shove ATC from UTG with 6 to 7bb. Horribad advice!

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Adjust your ranges based on your opponants, if they are very loose then tighten your range, if they are tight then loosen up. There is no one way to play tournament poker and for you to become a winning player you must be willing to play all styles of poker. Just learn how to read the dynamics and flow of the game and adjust your play accordingly
Overall fine.

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Originally Posted by KyungKimSoo
Anything within 8-14 bb's first to act, im shoving
I hope u dont do this from any position.

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blind vs blind im shoving with that same 8-14 bb's
Seems pretty bad overall.

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also take into account effective stack sizes
+1

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and when bubble comes around thats when u wanna be super aggro, ppl will fold more than u can believe. Holla
It depends on which situation u are in. Are u chipleader? Do u have a medium stack? Are u the shorty? Who are u shoving into? And so on......

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Originally Posted by Regret$
It is possible for a winning player to break even for more than 1,000 45-man tournaments straight. Its unlikely you will play enough to have a significant sample size of tourneys to draw any conclusions about your play. 2 of them is certainly not going to tell you anything. Your best bet is to find specific leaks to fix.

Post hands, gl.
THIS!

OP, look, all these post are meant in a good way. But theres just no way u learn much from this. U should post hands or at least way more specific questions! Else u end up in this mess.
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11-15-2011 , 09:07 PM
Im back from todays tourney. I bubbled again. This is unbelievable.
Went out in 6th and they paid 5 players. I think i made one mistake but i dont mind bubbling, i played my best and i know soon ill cash and even out.

Please, can someone tell me whats the exact percentage i should be cashing?
Since i started this post, ive played 4 times and been out in 7th, 8th, 6th and 25th when they all pay top 5 players.
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11-15-2011 , 09:18 PM
Big mistake i made!

Blinds: 2.5 million / 5 million

Action: Folded to SB
SB-20 mill (villain)-*calls 2.5 million

BB-40 mill Dealt to (hero) J5 hearts- ???????

Spoiler:
I checked behind, flop is Q 10 7 rainbow, check check, turn A , he bet 5 mill, i push all in, he calls. River is J, he shows 10 7, hero loses
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11-16-2011 , 12:56 AM
Your turn bluff isn't a mistake compared to not pushing all-in preflop, which is a giant
giant one
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11-16-2011 , 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by HUboss
Big mistake i made!

Blinds: 2.5 million / 5 million

Action: Folded to SB
SB-20 mill (villain)-*calls 2.5 million

BB-40 mill Dealt to (hero) J5 hearts- ???????

Spoiler:
I checked behind, flop is Q 10 7 rainbow, check check, turn A , he bet 5 mill, i push all in, he calls. River is J, he shows 10 7, hero loses
Shove pre sir.
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