11 left in a small field 109 6max. 8 paid I'm 9/11, less than half average.

The opener is a reg, he's aggro, he knows I'm a reg, notes say "raise/called 15bb with A2s vs you MP vs CO". I don't have a very good image and I doubt he folds a lot of stuff.

So is this fine?


***** Hand History for Game 320985433 ***** (Pacific)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, November 12, 11:11:45 ET 2011
Table 34159142 table 8 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 2: _jimma_ ( $17918.00 USD )
Seat 4: powertron ( $25255.00 USD )
Seat 6: pati216 ( $5738.00 USD )
Seat 7: catfish100 ( $10574.00 USD )
Seat 9: juhavilkki ( $7222.00 USD )
catfish100 posts ante of [$40.00 USD].
_jimma_ posts ante of [$40.00 USD].
pati216 posts ante of [$40.00 USD].
juhavilkki posts ante of [$40.00 USD].
powertron posts ante of [$40.00 USD].
catfish100 posts small blind [$200.00 USD].
juhavilkki posts big blind [$400.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to juhavilkki [ 6h 7h ]
_jimma_ folds
powertron raises [$800.00 USD]
pati216 folds
catfish100 folds
juhavilkki calls [$400.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3s, 7c, Js ]
juhavilkki checks
powertron bets [$1000.00 USD]
juhavilkki raises [$6382.00 USD]



couldn't get 888 converter to work but yes I flatted 18bb deep preflop and checkshoved midpair. Plan was to check shove flops where I have equity and there's only one high card like this and Q53 A85 etc.

dunno...I read somewhere that the quality of msmtt has dropped recently so I'm not sure I can add anything of value

I think this is fine with your stack size.

may aswell fold pre if your going to fold second pair imo.

Think this is fine

wp, call pre>shove pre

hmm fold pre seems better, powertron opens in perfect reshoving stacks..

post is fine

think u slightly higher cev shoving any pair not regarding if there is 2 high cards or not.

im sure line is slightly cev+, althoug not by big margain obv. Question is if its not still better to let go here though...some slight icm aswell and since it PAC hard to think villains around u are that competent.

Well played. I'm especially fond of it given that he'll spite call your shove with a lot of hands, and since you don't have any high card value, defending is obv best. Once you get to the flop it seems like a clear check-shove. NH.

Fold pre imo...post flop line is fine.

yeah i do that a lot as well when i don't feel i have reshove equity (i actually defend like 8bb stacks too with QTs or w/e). nice hand!

WP Sir

how come I feel like if I or some rando posted this same hand theyd be getting flame balled

Would you fold 88/99/1010 here? Seems there's more hands b/c than b/f here if or is competent and not opening complete garbage into a lag like cbass chilling w a perfect reshove stack.

I think the fact that stevepa posted in support of it should be enough to know that's not the case. Doubt he even sees screen names.

I think flatting vs reg to x/r ai is a great play with stack sizes given-
- your image isn't too hot
- vill has an exploitable cb frequency (most regs do)
- you can balance with monsters/good hands (KQs comes to mind)

That flame balled guy is me.

I like the line its something i never really do either but say the flop is A92 are you still check/shoving or solely if you flop the straight draw or a little sumtin on A high boards?

? Wouldn't be the case at all, hand is superstandard

cause randos just post the HH and ask "wtf should i do after flatting pre" without giving details on the spot.

in this hand we know both are wide so this is fine- a SC is a good hand to flat pre in this spot vs a mr.

Are there other hands you would "almost never" call in the BB here?

I often feel I'm giving up my BB too frequently in these kinds of spots against players I know to be stealing but perhaps that I'm not comfortable shoving back against.

I think we can defend shallower and I've noticed for a time that good players are defending stuff 15bb's deep and stuff where I'd jam. I think that's why ebet suggested a random may have gotten different responses because it's been mid stakes tourny wisdom that we don't flat pre < 20bb's where in the BB there is a definitely a range we can defend profitably.

if your check shoving what % of the time? / what kind of flops?

question is too general but if the texture hit neither and he is likely to cb i dont look at my cards.
if he just cbets hands with equity i need some equity myself
if he checks his strong hands and bets the weak ones see first sentence

as a default i'd go with that he cbets ~60-70% of the time which means i'd jam pairs/gutter+over/oesd/fd, basically everything that has more than ~3-4outs /~15% Equity when called.
c/f AKQ flops, c/shove J56 flops

i also might c/c flop to calldown on all cards or c/c flop to c/f turn, or donkbet a fair% to induce or just as a bluff which i b/f.

no general answer, play poker.

Your entire post was very good, just curious as to what types of textures you think are best for these alternate scenarios? Or were you primarily just illustrating the point that having alternate lines to take given the specific hand dynamics (anything that affects our decision) is an important part of poker?

Thanks, great post

i think people get into the mentality that with 20bbs they should either reshove or fold

but especially oop with a hand that can flop good equity i feel like this is a good spot to flat more pre and check shove a ton of flops. im fine with your play here

not something i do all the time either, but i like it since i flat big hands with these stacks as well and check/shove vs some ppl