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11-04-2013 , 03:14 PM
I'm new into the Hyper Turbos, I'm playing the $3.50 at pokerstars, hoping to get to the $7 by the end of the year.
I wanted to share how I'm playing the early game, what should I change?

Hope it's clear, it was a little difficult to put all my thoughts, hope there is no problem with my english too.

btw, I'm reading the sng strategy from moshman, studying with sng wiz quiz, and the truck T series from sng grinders
If anyone has any tips about studying, any kind of source is more than welcome, it's really hard to find much studying's source.

Well, here we go:
Spoiler:

UTG
Open AJ, KK+
AQ+,TT,JJ,QQ open push

MP:
Same as UTG

CO:
Open AT+,KQ+,QQ+
AQ+,99,TT,JJ Open push

BTN:
Open A9+,KJ+,QQ+
88,99,TT,JJ Open Push
if the guys on the blinds have fold to steal > 65% I make it a lot larger

SB
Open A9+, QQ+
77-JJ open push

I'm calling all in and pushing vs mini raiser no matter which position with AQ+,TT+ if the opener is a reg, I'll close the range to AK,JJ+ also will be doing open push with the same range vs raiser/limper
in UTG and MP, CO and BTN I'll be calling AJ+, 3beting 3x the raiser JJ+

In the blinds, I'll be restealing with A7+, K9s+,KT+,QJ
11-04-2013 , 05:02 PM
I'm gonna leave this open for now and hopefully the discussion will stay on topic and you'll get some info. This is still a bit too 'general,' but it's about a specific part of the most popular format of SNG on PS today, so I'll leave it open. Usually though, you want to be making a thread with specific HH's in question or specific examples and not just a general, broad topic.

With that being said, at T20 you really shouldn't be open jamming any hands, maybe sometimes from the SB to a competent BB but other than that you shouldn't be open jamming at all. My ranges change based on which players are around me and who's in the blinds, having static ranges is never a good plan.

It is hard to find good 6m ht strat because for the most part, all of us mid-hs players don't coach at all or post any strat, just work with icmizer/sng solver for late game stuff and maybe try railing some of the higher stake games to see how they play
11-04-2013 , 09:00 PM
I was kinda confused about where to post, ist too "general" but about a specific part, anyway, thanks for leaving it open.

Should I just be opening AQ,AK from the UTG for example? When I do that I'm often times called by two villains and even when it's only one I'd be playing out of position and most of the times I'd be trying to steal the flop with a cbet, won't be a little risky with that few chips? Is that how you do? I'll be trying this way, thanks for the tips.

About the ranges I know it depends a lot on the villains, but how do you play when you have no notes on them?

I did as you suggested and I'm testing the sng solver here, when you said that the sng wiz is outdated, what do you mean by outdated in what is it failing? and even outdated would the sngwiz be a good source of training besides my own hh?

Thanks for sharing, as you said it is hard to find ht player sharing their view of the game.
11-04-2013 , 09:07 PM
-Yea I open quite wide from utg, but it's definitely not necessary and some players are much tighter than I from utg (like 12%), while others are wider. Playing smaller stakes, you're obviously going to be getting more multiway pots, so you just need to come up with ranges that play better against players like that; like opening JTs is probably much better than opening 55 for example. Having no notes sucks, and I don't really know how to combat that, but you should be wanting to get involved in lots of pots with bad, random players as they're going to make many large mistakes and you want to reap the benefits.

-Wiz is outdated in that it's ranges in many spots are poor and sometimes it's just plain wrong. I remember making a post in my pg&c about that one time, I ran a 15/30/3 spot where i was on the btn looking for a shove range into the blinds, and I ran the spot in 3 icm calcs (icmizer, sngwizard and the holdemresources.net calculator) and I changed the SB and BB calling % to be exactly the same in all 3 calculators and sng wiz's shoving range it suggested was MUCH different than the other 2; icmizer and holdemresources were like 33.3% and 33.6% iirc, while wiz suggested ~50% :O :O

Solver and Icmizer are definitely much better programs with much better features once you learn how to use them
11-05-2013 , 01:10 AM
this is horrendous, I don't know where to begin
11-05-2013 , 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by dogzpp
this is horrendous, I don't know where to begin
Well, without that I wouldnt know where to start, is it so bad? Bear with me I'm still a beginner but am trying as hell to learn as much as I can and that's why I came to 2p2.

I'd appreciate if you could give some of your thoughts.
11-05-2013 , 04:31 AM
Burn that list, it's worthless. Actually no, its worse than worthless its harmful. It will only serve to impede your progress as a player. Do not open shove at 10/20 with 25bbs. There's actually only 1 reg at the $7s who open shoves at 10/20 (anyone who has ever played the $7s knows who I'm talking about).

You need to be much much looser. You're going to be a big loser if you don't become wider.

The average reg thinks "I'll just sit out at 10/20 and wait for the blinds to be bigger, thats where my edge is". The best regs think "10/20 what a great opportunity to win lots of chips" and they take advantage of that by having wide ranges.

If you don't know how to play AK when you miss the flop you don't know how to play poker. You must fight for every pot. Every hand a bitter battle to the end. Put everything on the line at every opportunity you get and you will become feared by the regs. You can't give up just because you miss the flop.

Reading from a list of pre defined actions off a list isn't poker. Poker is an art. I do a considerable amount of analysis on my play but at the end of the day I always come to the same conclusion - the plays you make depend on the villains more than anything. You need to understand the dynamics of a table before you raise. Some tables you can open with any 2, others you might want to wait for something stronger.

Last edited by Karganeth; 11-05-2013 at 04:55 AM.
11-05-2013 , 04:47 AM
Don't play 6max, just one thought: Looking at this minraise button could be a good option when you can steal like 42 for the price of 40
11-05-2013 , 05:24 AM
F guess 6m hypers have been solved.

Last edited by Rusemandingo; 11-05-2013 at 05:24 AM. Reason: dat resteal range
11-05-2013 , 07:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karganeth
Reading from a list of pre defined actions off a list isn't poker. Poker is an art. I do a considerable amount of analysis on my play but at the end of the day I always come to the same conclusion - the plays you make depend on the villains more than anything. You need to understand the dynamics of a table before you raise. Some tables you can open with any 2, others you might want to wait for something stronger.
needs more best thing for ages writting in sttf
11-05-2013 , 11:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karganeth
Burn that list, it's worthless. Actually no, its worse than worthless its harmful. It will only serve to impede your progress as a player. Do not open shove at 10/20 with 25bbs. There's actually only 1 reg at the $7s who open shoves at 10/20 (anyone who has ever played the $7s knows who I'm talking about).

You need to be much much looser. You're going to be a big loser if you don't become wider.

The average reg thinks "I'll just sit out at 10/20 and wait for the blinds to be bigger, thats where my edge is". The best regs think "10/20 what a great opportunity to win lots of chips" and they take advantage of that by having wide ranges.

If you don't know how to play AK when you miss the flop you don't know how to play poker. You must fight for every pot. Every hand a bitter battle to the end. Put everything on the line at every opportunity you get and you will become feared by the regs. You can't give up just because you miss the flop.

Reading from a list of pre defined actions off a list isn't poker. Poker is an art. I do a considerable amount of analysis on my play but at the end of the day I always come to the same conclusion - the plays you make depend on the villains more than anything. You need to understand the dynamics of a table before you raise. Some tables you can open with any 2, others you might want to wait for something stronger.
Great post. Many training videos/sites will tell you to stab if you miss with AK and give up if you hit any resistance (similar to small-med pocket pairs). Others will tell you to play tight at initial stages. Others yet will tell you to try to create charts to take some degree of difficult decision-making out of the game.

Always good to get some different perspective and to question what is considered accepted practice.
11-05-2013 , 01:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karganeth
Do not open shove at 10/20 with 25bbs. There's actually only 1 reg at the $7s who open shoves at 10/20 (anyone who has ever played the $7s knows who I'm talking about).
But he smashes, no??
11-06-2013 , 03:14 AM
As a guy who plays against you from time to time, I just have to say, this is a great thread.
11-06-2013 , 03:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karganeth
Burn that list, it's worthless. Actually no, its worse than worthless its harmful. It will only serve to impede your progress as a player. Do not open shove at 10/20 with 25bbs. There's actually only 1 reg at the $7s who open shoves at 10/20 (anyone who has ever played the $7s knows who I'm talking about).

You need to be much much looser. You're going to be a big loser if you don't become wider.

The average reg thinks "I'll just sit out at 10/20 and wait for the blinds to be bigger, thats where my edge is". The best regs think "10/20 what a great opportunity to win lots of chips" and they take advantage of that by having wide ranges.

If you don't know how to play AK when you miss the flop you don't know how to play poker. You must fight for every pot. Every hand a bitter battle to the end. Put everything on the line at every opportunity you get and you will become feared by the regs. You can't give up just because you miss the flop.

Reading from a list of pre defined actions off a list isn't poker. Poker is an art. I do a considerable amount of analysis on my play but at the end of the day I always come to the same conclusion - the plays you make depend on the villains more than anything. You need to understand the dynamics of a table before you raise. Some tables you can open with any 2, others you might want to wait for something stronger.
That's a great way of seeing all this, makes me think a lot, thanks for the patience to type all this, but it was worth as hell.

The reason I was trying to come up with a chart was to at least have a guideline.
I was actually playing a lot wider than I described, but a guy from a brazilian's forum told me that I should play like I described here, since he was already grinding $7 I was trying this way also because the way I was playing, paying attention to every detail of the villains wouldnt let me open more tables, I play fine with only two, if I tried to open four, I wouldnt go so well, and since everybody tells me the HT I have to put up volume, many tables, mane tables, that was what I was trying to do.
But hell, **** the amount of tables, gotta learn the game first, guess with time I'll be able to get the info that I need with more tables, right?

Thanks
GL
11-06-2013 , 03:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by emitnulB
As a guy who plays against you from time to time, I just have to say, this is a great thread.
against me? whats your nickname?
11-06-2013 , 03:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by zilblitz
Great post. Many training videos/sites will tell you to stab if you miss with AK and give up if you hit any resistance (similar to small-med pocket pairs). Others will tell you to play tight at initial stages. Others yet will tell you to try to create charts to take some degree of difficult decision-making out of the game.

Always good to get some different perspective and to question what is considered accepted practice.
Guess it's a fish doubt but anyway, given that in $3.50 opening from EP I'll probably get a multiway pot, should I cbet anyway? Of course it depends on the texture of the flop, but in most cases...
11-06-2013 , 05:10 AM
Can you post a hh where youve openfolded 77 from the btn?
11-06-2013 , 05:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusemandingo
Can you post a hh where youve openfolded 77 from the btn?
I'm not buying that one either.



    Poker Stars, $3.32 Buy-in (15/30 blinds, 3 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20506041

    CO: 510 (17 bb) <---- adahylgarcez
    Hero (BTN): 520 (17.3 bb)
    SB: 486 (16.2 bb)
    BB: 525 (17.5 bb)
    MP: 959 (32 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with T A
    MP folds, CO raises to 507 and is all-in, Hero raises to 517 and is all-in, SB folds, BB calls 487

    Flop: (1,571) 6 7 4 (3 players, 2 are all-in)
    Turn: (1,571) Q (3 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: (1,571) 9 (3 players, 2 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 1,571 pot
    Final Board: 6 7 4 Q 9
    CO showed 7 7 and won 1,551 (1,041 net)
    Hero showed T A and lost (-520 net)
    BB showed K K and won 20 (-500 net)



    Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


    Anyways, since I've been trolling this thread for a while, I guess I'll be constructive. You are being too defensive with your bet sizing and hand selection in the early game. You shouldn't be open shoving very many, if any, hands because you allow your opponent to make a binary push/fold decision that results in them making fewer mistakes against you and also making you more predictable and easier to play against. If you are getting stacked too often with 77 early, it doesn't mean you should stop playing 77, it means you should learn to play 77 better. Hands like that are too good to lose money with in the long run.

    Last edited by emitnulB; 11-06-2013 at 06:03 AM.
    11-06-2013 , 08:25 AM
    call is atrocious regardless. And his play is defensible.
    11-06-2013 , 08:45 AM
    Ha first day playing hypers ever. I'm sure it wasn't even close to my worst play.
    11-06-2013 , 08:54 AM
    You addicted yet?
    11-06-2013 , 08:57 AM
    Slightly. They're so hard though. Figured I'd give them a shot because it seems like that's where the money is.
    11-06-2013 , 09:08 AM
    They get easier once you get more games under your belt and are able to autopilot most of it. Def where the money is and you can get volume any time and quit sessions quickly. Just have good internet and backup cause a 5 min dc ****s you over hardcore in these.
    11-06-2013 , 09:13 AM
    Haha yeah I need to get a dsl backup or something. I bought a bunch of battery backups for pc/modem/router, but still a bit worried about cable outages.
    11-06-2013 , 01:16 PM
    ha coincidence, just sent you mp on pokerdicas
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