The spot is having a mid pocket pair oop on a draw heavy scary board while being pretty deep stacked.

I really feel like good players can exploit the hell out of me in this spot. What kind of options do I have to play this hand post flop?

What would be your plan for the hand on all streets and bet sizing ect.??

Any help appreciated because I feel like it is very easy to own me here....thoughts???


PokerStars Game #33711210945: Tournament #201334713, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (150/300) - 2009/10/06 14:53:33 ET
Table '201334713 9' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: holyguacmole (17237 in chips)
Seat 2: zelias (11512 in chips)
Seat 3: laurent11mib (14440 in chips)
Seat 4: HammerU173 (21590 in chips)
Seat 5: bobsmith166 (21873 in chips)
Seat 6: stuey024 (43902 in chips)
Seat 9: CommanderZZ (20855 in chips)
holyguacmole: posts the ante 60
zelias: posts the ante 60
laurent11mib: posts the ante 60
HammerU173: posts the ante 60
bobsmith166: posts the ante 60
stuey024: posts the ante 60
CommanderZZ: posts the ante 60
zelias: posts small blind 150
laurent11mib: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HammerU173 [8d 8s]
HammerU173: raises 588 to 888
bobsmith166: folds
stuey024: folds
CommanderZZ: calls 888
holyguacmole: folds
zelias: folds
laurent11mib: calls 588
*** FLOP *** [2h 6s 6h]
laurent11mib: checks
HammerU173: bets 2175
CommanderZZ: calls 2175
laurent11mib: folds
*** TURN *** [2h 6s 6h] [Jh]
HammerU173: checks
CommanderZZ: bets 4200
HammerU173: folds
Uncalled bet (4200) returned to CommanderZZ
CommanderZZ collected 7584 from pot
CommanderZZ: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7584 | Rake 0
Board [2h 6s 6h Jh]
Seat 1: holyguacmole (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: zelias (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: laurent11mib (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: HammerU173 folded on the Turn
Seat 5: bobsmith166 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: stuey024 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: CommanderZZ collected (7584)

Is this just standard???

When the heart fell on the turn I think the fold because easier but if that was just an overcard not heart I would have no fing clue of how to proceed with the hand.

So lets pretend like a Jc fell on the turn.....what would be my plan for the rest of the hand? Is my bet sizing on the flop OK?

Poker Stars $20+$2 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t150/t300 Blinds + t60 - 7 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

holyguacmole (BTN): t17237 M = 19.81
zelias (SB): t11512 M = 13.23
laurent11mib (BB): t14440 M = 16.60
Hero (UTG): t21590 M = 24.82
bobsmith166 (UTG+1): t21873 M = 25.14
stuey024 (MP): t43902 M = 50.46
CommanderZZ (CO): t20855 M = 23.97

Pre Flop: (t870) Hero is UTG with 8 8
Hero raises to t888, 2 folds, CommanderZZ calls t888, 2 folds, laurent11mib calls t588

Flop: (t3234) 2 6 6 (3 players)
laurent11mib checks, Hero bets t2175, CommanderZZ calls t2175, laurent11mib folds

Turn: (t7584) J (2 players)
Hero checks, CommanderZZ bets t4200, Hero folds

Final Pot: t7584
CommanderZZ wins t7584


looks pretty standard, would probably be inclined to b/f or c/c most turns (depending on what it is between which of those options is best), but when he bets this turn i don't think we're beating much. if a Jc had come on the turn i thimnk we should c/c because it's unlikely he has many legitimate hands with which to continue (and will be checking most of them) but may well think it's a good card to bluff if he happened to be floating the flop. would be more inclined to b/f blank turns.

check villians location, proceed from there

b/f is way more standard for me lately than c/c cause the way people float and i only c/f complete air

care to elaborate?

even when the flush gets there you want to bet fold?

youre aware of the term floating correct? is this not something youve ever ran into before? i realize the pot is multiway...but its still not something youre always going to avoid.

he can be calling your flop bet with 100% of his preflop calling range waiting for you to wave the white flag which you so graciously did for him on a nice scare turn card.

Of course I know what floating is...I was referring to the country comment.....do you really think you can determine someones likelihood to float based on where they are from? And if so what am I looking for?

I hate these spots aswell, I think HU it is a clear b/f on the turn, but it's a weird dynamic 3way cos not sure how often people float in multiway pots. Also wondering how often villain would raise FD on flop anyway, is a flush that big a part of his range? If he is passive standard $22er then I guess he would always flat FD on flop... peoples thoughts???

You're going to be exploited sometimes in poker. Just try to exploit others more than you are exploited, imo.

I'm referring more to general mentality than this specific hand, btw, your wording kind of rubbed me the wrong way.

I probably check/call the turn, I'm sure that most will say that bet/folding is the better line.

how so?

For some reason this didn't cross my mind...the villain was kind of laggy stationy...didn't seem too agg and I was playing pretty tag so I would def say he could call here with a fd especially 3way

this seems like a super read specific spot on the turn in which I really didn't have a good enough of one. It seems as though bet/fold...check/call...and check/fold could all be correct depending on the specific villian.