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10-13-2013 , 01:46 PM
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Few stats on villain, at the table for only 19 hands, running 26/31. German, stats hidden. Holdem Resources suggests calling is the best chip EV play, but would be down to less than 10 BB and crawling if a K doesn´t hit... Not enough chips to 3b other than allin, so it´s allin or fold. Opinions?



    Poker Stars, $30 Buy-in (8,500/17,000 blinds, 2,125 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19970651

    SB: 193,395 (11.4 bb)
    Hero (BB): 205,213 (12.1 bb)
    UTG+2: 127,933 (7.5 bb)
    MP1: 104,638 (6.2 bb)
    MP2: 160,755 (9.5 bb)
    MP3: 394,096 (23.2 bb)
    CO: 402,244 (23.7 bb)
    BTN: 195,147 (11.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 K
    3 folds, MP3 raises to 34,510, 3 folds




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    Last edited by Sessesseko; 10-13-2013 at 02:05 PM.
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    10-13-2013 , 02:33 PM
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    I'd shove and flat a decent amount of cute suited hands.
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    10-14-2013 , 04:57 AM
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    jamming it , flatting K9s maybe
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    10-14-2013 , 09:01 AM
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    Prob jam against those stats and we still have FE. Defending is fine as well, just don't fold.
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    10-14-2013 , 09:24 AM
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    Have you all gone nuts? Stats in 19 hands mean nothing here and even if those were his real stats: the guy raises MP in turbo with 3 shorties behind who will shove pretty wide on him. Should be extremely easy snapfold.
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    10-14-2013 , 09:26 AM
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    Quote:
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    Have you all gone nuts? Stats in 19 hands mean nothing here and even if those were his real stats: the guy raises MP in turbo with 3 shorties behind who will shove pretty wide on him. Should be extremely easy snapfold.
    obv this ...wtf fk holdem manager
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    10-14-2013 , 09:34 AM
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    eh i glossed over it too quickly

    didn't really factor in that everyone's short and only 19 hands

    yeah it's probably a fold, and closer to a call than a shove if we're playing
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    10-14-2013 , 09:40 AM
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    Quote:
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    eh i glossed over it too quickly

    didn't really factor in that everyone's short and only 19 hands

    yeah it's probably a fold, and closer to a call than a shove if we're playing
    http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...world-1378246/
    the same hand imo

    with 17 18 bb im folding
    wih 11bb calling
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    10-14-2013 , 10:38 AM
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    Quote:
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    http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...world-1378246/
    the same hand imo

    with 17 18 bb im folding
    wih 11bb calling
    Don't think stack size is the only determinant. In that other hand we can assume opener is super wide given the ft/icm dynamic, so we do really well against his range getting over 4:1. In this hand with the short stack sizes he has a much stronger range so folding becomes more attractive imo, but prob still calling. Don't think the reverse implied odds of having a few more bigs in the other hand (assume that was the gist of your post?) outweigh how much wider his range is and thus how much better we do by calling.
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    10-14-2013 , 11:10 AM
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    Foldingcamp ( if there is one)
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    10-14-2013 , 11:12 AM
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    let me be with you.
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    10-14-2013 , 11:22 AM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Turbulenc3
    Don't think stack size is the only determinant. In that other hand we can assume opener is super wide given the ft/icm dynamic, so we do really well against his range getting over 4:1. In this hand with the short stack sizes he has a much stronger range so folding becomes more attractive imo, but prob still calling. Don't think the reverse implied odds of having a few more bigs in the other hand (assume that was the gist of your post?) outweigh how much wider his range is and thus how much better we do by calling.
    we're almost there
    18 bb have high value to the final table of a turbo
    and you can skip this marginals(even if we play better against his range here )
    have 11 bb or 10BB in this tournament does not change much in terms of money and fe
    so I prefer to take these Express odds
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    10-14-2013 , 11:25 AM
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    And people wonder how he can play 26/21 into <15BB stacks.
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