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The Hot : UTG+3 goes all-in, 77 on SB The Hot : UTG+3 goes all-in, 77 on SB

09-10-2013 , 02:35 PM
Hello,

Probably a very easy question, but is this an easy fold? Just to make sure. Nash is saying that I could call here 66+ ATs+ ATo+. But isn't that to light?

    Poker Stars, $10 Buy-in (250/500 blinds, 60 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19360071

    CO: 4,670 (9.3 bb)
    BTN: 13,572 (27.1 bb)
    Hero (SB): 13,830 (27.7 bb)
    BB: 13,973 (27.9 bb)
    UTG+1: 23,423 (46.8 bb)
    UTG+2: 14,445 (28.9 bb)
    MP1: 6,590 (13.2 bb)
    MP2: 6,700 (13.4 bb)
    MP3: 4,750 (9.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 7 7
    3 folds, MP2 raises to 6,640 and is all-in, 3 folds




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    Last edited by Mansory; 09-10-2013 at 02:44 PM.
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    09-10-2013 , 02:53 PM
    Jamming seems marginal but fine, and tempted to take more marginal spot bc of the urgency in turbos.. 88 would be a snap shove IMO
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    09-10-2013 , 03:31 PM
    Oh it's a turbo? Then yea I'm fine with shoving. Any stats/reads on opponent?
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    09-10-2013 , 03:41 PM
    Some stats or reads would be nice.
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    09-10-2013 , 03:47 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by thadarkman78
    Oh it's a turbo? Then yea I'm fine with shoving. Any stats/reads on opponent?
    Unfortunately I had no read or stats of the opponent. Yes, it's a turbo.
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    09-10-2013 , 04:16 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mansory
    Unfortunately I had no read or stats of the opponent. Yes, it's a turbo.
    Youre often flipping, sometimes behind, and occasionally dominating.

    In game, I'd have likely folded here readless. After stoving a range I feel is likely what villain would open push 13BBs, you're just slightly ahead. 88 would be a lot closer a call (would likely call in game) and 99 a definite call (would snap call).
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    09-11-2013 , 12:17 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by princekuh1o
    Jamming seems marginal but fine, and tempted to take more marginal spot bc of the urgency in turbos.. 88 would be a snap shove IMO
    Agree
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    09-11-2013 , 01:57 AM
    You are short stacked in a turbo, its time to gamble.
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    09-11-2013 , 03:49 AM
    Pretty player dependent spot. Readless I wouldn't give a random in an $11fo credit for shoving anywhere near as wide as nash, so you should adjust your calling ranges accordingly.

    Assuming he raise/calls JJ+ and jams 17% (TT-22,A5s+,A9o+,K9s+,KJo+,Q9s+,QJo,J9s+,T9s) you can call 55+ A9s/A10o KQs pretty comfortably.

    If he jams a really tight range of TT-44,A8s+,ATo+,KTs+,KJo+,QTs+,JTs and we assume he raise calls JJ+ you can still very profitable call 66+ A10s/AJo KQs+.

    If you think he jams his entire range rather then r/c the top you will obviously have to call slightly tighter.

    Folding 77 to anybody without ridiculously good reads would be a pretty significant mistake. Even against the tightest of jamming ranges rejamming 77 is only a slight mistake, so it's definitely a spot you have to take.
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    09-11-2013 , 12:35 PM
    Close i think, especially with our stack, i mean i probably end up calling even though i don't like it, agree with 88 being a snap shove though.
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    09-11-2013 , 02:58 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by L0DDENThinks
    Close i think, especially with our stack, i mean i probably end up calling even though i don't like it, agree with 88 being a snap shove though.
    88 is but I'm still on the fence with 77.

    I suppose too that being a turbo these marginal situations need to be taken (as mentioned by those above) so I suppose that's a good-enough reason to call here.

    Last edited by Synth; 09-11-2013 at 03:08 PM. Reason: spelling
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    09-12-2013 , 07:52 AM
    I'm calling (shipping) here, but not super happy.
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    09-12-2013 , 09:33 AM
    Quote:
    sometimes behind, and occasionally dominating.
    when are you one and not the other? you're either flipping or against a better pair at worst.

    seems like a fairly easy shove.. shouldnt he be shoving any pair and a lot of Ax here?
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    09-12-2013 , 09:20 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by princekuh1o
    Jamming seems marginal but fine, and tempted to take more marginal spot bc of the urgency in turbos.. 88 would be a snap shove IMO
    Not trying to be funny but how can 77 be marginal but 88 be a snap shove.

    You either figure yourself to be racing or completely crushed
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    09-13-2013 , 10:02 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by huddlehound1
    Not trying to be funny but how can 77 be marginal but 88 be a snap shove.

    You either figure yourself to be racing or completely crushed
    77 is my line and I'm folding 66 and snap shoving 88? I don't know how I can go into further detail about the snappiness of my 88 shove... If I can't see any reason for folding regardless of almost all reads it's a snap shove for me I guess?

    Second part about being flipping or crushed is farrr from true.
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