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Is this a horrible fold at the Final Table? Is this a horrible fold at the Final Table?

10-05-2016 , 07:13 PM
Hello everyone. This my first post on this forum.

I'm hoping for some constructive criticism regarding this hand that I've played recently in $11 MTT final table.

Hated myself later for not checking the river... But, considering the consequences, did I make the right fold?


    Poker Stars, $10 Buy-in (25,000/50,000 blinds, 8,000 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37448060

    SB: 1,615,081 (32.3 bb)
    BB: 1,911,610 (38.2 bb)
    UTG: 1,884,457 (37.7 bb)
    Hero (MP): 1,951,964 (39 bb)
    CO: 399,456 (8 bb)
    BTN: 1,272,432 (25.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with J J
    UTG folds, Hero raises to 105,000, CO folds, BTN calls 105,000, SB folds, BB calls 55,000

    Flop: (388,000) 5 2 4 (3 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets 240,560, BTN folds, BB calls 240,560

    Turn: (869,120) 9 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets 325,000, BB calls 325,000

    River: (1,519,120) T (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets 425,000, BB raises to 1,233,050 and is all-in, Hero folds

    Results: 2,369,120 pot
    Final Board: 5 2 4 9 T
    BB mucked and won 2,369,120 (1,265,560 net)
    Hero mucked J J and lost (-1,103,560 net)



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    Last edited by Rival_Dealer; 10-05-2016 at 07:30 PM.
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    10-06-2016 , 02:48 AM
    Yes, right fold
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    10-06-2016 , 03:00 AM
    I think maybe you played this correctly, just maybe a bit larger fire on the turn tells you more where you stand than it does on the river. Just my opinion... but good fold!
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    10-06-2016 , 08:35 AM
    i might bet slightly less otf other than that seems wp

    river b/f seems better than x behind or b/c
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    10-07-2016 , 05:14 AM
    Quote:
    Flop: (388,000) 5 2 4 (3 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets 240,560, BTN folds, BB calls 240,560
    I'd make this about 140ish.

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    Turn: (869,120) 9 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets 325,000, BB calls 325,000
    388k+140K (hero)+140K (V)=668k using my sizing.

    $325k-$350k looks a lot stronger into a 668K pot(value weighted) than an 870K pot, don't you think?

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    River: (1,519,120) T (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets 425,000, BB raises to 1,233,050 and is all-in, Hero folds
    always folding to X/Shove on river.

    90% of the time, I'v checking behind. Any reads on V?
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    10-07-2016 , 07:22 AM
    Here are all documented villain's lines after flatting on sb/bb during this FT:


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by crow27
    $325k-$350k looks a lot stronger into a 668K pot(value weighted) than an 870K pot, don't you think?
    Look at his line with 65o.
    I wanted to extract the maximum value on the flop if he has got a pair, but on later streets I wanted to keep it thin enough for him not to fold.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by crow27
    Any reads on V?
    He was 53/36 over 126 hands.
    I also think that his line with 99 makes it much more likely that he had my JJ beat on the river in that crucial hand. Exactly on the river I think, otherwise he would've check-raised/bet before the river.
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    10-07-2016 , 02:02 PM
    I would bet smaller on flop size up a bit on turn . Apart from that you played it fine
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    10-10-2016 , 02:52 AM
    Would check river
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    10-11-2016 , 06:41 PM
    I don't think he had you beat, QQ+ he'd 3bet preflop. Floating an ace unlikely so I'd guess he had something along the line of a draw that missed like 65/67. Possible he runnered a flush or somehow picked up a set along the way.

    More importantly, you're more likely to have raised with overcards rather than a premium in JJ. You're cbet is quite large and then you significantly reduced the amount you bet - implying you weren't happy with your cards.

    River is an obvious jam spot but you don't, you bet it extremely weakly. If you felt you had best hand you would have jammed because that would have been a reasonable bet, instead you basically min bet it. If I were villian and I'm either holding a missed draw or have a marginal hand and see that and only option I see for myself is jamming to drive away your better high card or for value because this reads like you don't have anything too strong so why not up the pot?

    You should have jammed turn or checked river. You simply can't 3barrel passively like that unless you're holding the nuts because this is often how people will play back at you when you show some weakness.

    55, 22, 44, 99 would have xr by the turn because that was a drawy board and even a high card ace could suck out.

    Really only 4 hands you need to worry about, A3, Ax for backdoor flush, TT and 54. Rest is a marginal holding that you beat. That is unless you think he'd protect his bb with something like T5 but most of the time you are way ahead and you were getting like 5:1 to call. Snap call and deal with the consequences of a bad beat.
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    10-13-2016 , 04:15 PM
    I don't like bet/folding 28% pot. Not enough return for the risk.
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    10-14-2016 , 03:23 AM
    less flop
    more turn
    check river
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    10-14-2016 , 08:41 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by furo
    Would check river
    I agree with checking river, but do we consider calling depending on bet size or just fold to a bet?
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    10-14-2016 , 09:25 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by blank0909
    I agree with checking river, but do we consider calling depending on bet size or just fold to a bet?
    That would make little sense but call a small bet and fold to a jam
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