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08-28-2015 , 08:58 PM
I've been playing poker for a while now, but in the past year or two I've started taking it very seriously. I'm using PokerTracker and constantly reviewing hands to see how I could have played hands differently. I've been grinding $7 and $15 6max turbos on Merge with decent results for the last 6 months. I'm happy to be able to pull in $500-$1000 per month, but my ROI is pretty low at 4%.

I was doing some research and noticed my WTSD% is 43%. I've seen a lot of posts saying that the sweet spot for this stat would be in he 20-25%. So it looks like I'm a bit of a calling station. Are there any other stats that I could look at that would help me reduce this number and increase my ROI? I feel like I play pretty solidly, but that's only because I'm a winning player. However, I would like to either win more or spend less time doing it.

What specifically can I do to reduce my WTSD%? How can I figure out which situations I'm calling too much in?

Thanks in advance for any help. Trying to get the hang of PT!

Last edited by howboutibex; 08-28-2015 at 09:08 PM.
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08-29-2015 , 03:31 AM
If your WTSD is only 43% you're actually way way way too tight. Mine is 68% and i'm playing mid/highstakes with less fish. 20-25% for all stats I don't know what gibberish you've been reading but start from the beginning because you're way off.
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08-29-2015 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Thrash370
If your WTSD is only 43% you're actually way way way too tight. Mine is 68% and i'm playing mid/highstakes with less fish. 20-25% for all stats I don't know what gibberish you've been reading but start from the beginning because you're way off.
That's not necessarily always true Thrash.

Definition of WTSD%: Percentage of the time that a player went to showdown, given that he saw the flop.

It isn't even 100% a function of your own individual play. If your opponents are calling too often or folding too much it can sway this stat in one direction or the other.

There are ways one could have a low WTSD% without being tight. Ex. Think of this, what if someone VPIPs 40% and then just open jams every flop. He's going to have a proportionately lower WTSD% as well as people are going to be folding to his bets more often post flop.

Also one could be really tight and have a high WTSD% because they fold a lot more earlier when deep stacked and are VPIPing more off shorter stacks where the all ins are going to inflate the WTSD%.

Anyway, OP, you should be more concerned with how you are playing your range in spots and if you are getting max value the times your are betting for value and or making profitable bluffs when you're bluffing than you should be focusing on WTSD%
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08-29-2015 , 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by cneuy3
That's not necessarily always true Thrash.

Definition of WTSD%: Percentage of the time that a player went to showdown, given that he saw the flop.

It isn't even 100% a function of your own individual play. If your opponents are calling too often or folding too much it can sway this stat in one direction or the other.

There are ways one could have a low WTSD% without being tight. Ex. Think of this, what if someone VPIPs 40% and then just open jams every flop. He's going to have a proportionately lower WTSD% as well as people are going to be folding to his bets more often post flop.

Also one could be really tight and have a high WTSD% because they fold a lot more earlier when deep stacked and are VPIPing more off shorter stacks where the all ins are going to inflate the WTSD%.

Anyway, OP, you should be more concerned with how you are playing your range in spots and if you are getting max value the times your are betting for value and or making profitable bluffs when you're bluffing than you should be focusing on WTSD%

This could be true for one game but I'm assuming he's talken about a sample size over many games in which there is no conceivable way to get down to 43% unless you're being way too tight.
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08-29-2015 , 11:38 PM
My WTSD% is 57% and my WSD is 52% over 1550 tournaments, which is around 50/50 tournaments and SNGs at the $15 level. I'm not sure why I typed 43%. I was probably looking at something else. I'm very sorry for the confusion. Didn't mean to waste your time.

So how can I improve my ROI? Over those ~1550 games, I've won about $500-$1000/month, but my ROI is like 4%. Any suggestions?
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