#Game No : 655179190
***** 888poker Hand History for Game 655179190 *****
$200/$400 Blinds No Limit Holdem - ***
Tournament #64980540 $10 + $1 - Table #6 9 Max (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: KingOfLobby ( $2,272 )
Seat 2: dcmtflc ( $5,014 )
Seat 3: Syberya ( $29,837 )
Seat 4: london_ace ( $15,569 )
Seat 5: pruac_ ( $17,275 )
Seat 6: jdawgnigga ( $11,894 )
Seat 7: AAfckinFish ( $7,334 )
Seat 10: E777KX_26RUS ( $12,469 )
Syberya posts ante [$40]
KingOfLobby posts ante [$40]
london_ace posts ante [$40]
jdawgnigga posts ante [$40]
pruac_ posts ante [$40]
E777KX_26RUS posts ante [$40]
dcmtflc posts ante [$40]
AAfckinFish posts ante [$40]
Syberya posts small blind [$200]
london_ace posts big blind [$400]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to london_ace [ 8, A]
pruac_ folds
jdawgnigga folds
AAfckinFish folds
E777KX_26RUS folds
KingOfLobby folds
dcmtflc raises [$4,974]
Syberya folds
london_ace calls [$4,574]
** Dealing flop ** [ J, 7, K ]
** Dealing turn ** [ 9 ]
** Dealing river ** [ 8]


Hey


Reads - V is a decent reg , he's been shoving frequently from LP.

I'm at a stacksize were i don't mind passing up a marginal spot, however the table has been tough.

I'm pretty sure we are ahead of villians shoving range , should be a ev+ call.
Just wondering if u guys will pass up this marginal spot?

U have atleast 54% vs described villains shoving 42-45% range.
- this call should net u about 1.5bb in the long run imo

Looking at nash shoving/calling ranges

v will be shoving 22+ A2+ K8o+ K3s+ QTo+ Q6s+ JTo+ J7s+ T9o+ T7s+ 96s+ 86s+ 75s+ 65s+ 54s+ (38.2%)

which means hero should be calling 22+ A2o+ K9o+ K6s+ QTo+ Q9s+ J9s+ (24.3%)


I think v is capable of shoving wider then 38.2% of hands from the button , he could be shoving 50% of hands here , which means we could widen our calling range against this opponent.


the thing is though would any of guys call with this range i have shown?

for instance k6s , i just would hate calling with that hand, even if its ev+ , seems so marginal.

Kinda depends on your definition of a 'decent reg', I rarely see anyone shoving with hands like T7s or 54s in ssmtt's, even winning players. So unless I have a read my standard calling range would be narrower also.

Having said that A8 is well within that calling range vs almost anybody.

I prolly fold the bottom end of that range, because I think Viral is right about ssmtt players don't push wide enough. Never folding A8 though.

Allin where can I learn these nash shoving/calling ranges? I basically have no idea

Nash push fold chart

If you want something less standardised, google icmizer or holdemresources, i think both have free trials.

easy call, run good

I've got a book called "kill everyone" shows the nash ranges on there. Like viral said you can also check out holdem resources and icimizer.

Great. thx guys!

ive read a small bit about the nash charts and it seems as you guys say most ss players don't shove or call as wide as the charts say.
So is it good to shove even wider than the charts but call tighter?

I would not suggest shoving wider then nash , unless you have reads that your opponents are really weak or if they are really tight , then yeah you could shove wider because the chances of them calling you is very slim, it would then be profitable.

^^ obviously thats really situation dependent, but i find i should be shoving wider than nash more often than not. Not that i always do.

yeah viral you we should be , since players calling ranges are much tighter then nash.

Also in some article i read in regards to nash , it said how that when u shove with nash against an opponent that does call extremly wide we lose money..however that cant be possible , when we shove with nash , it dont matter what there calling ranges are , we will still break even with nash , we wont win nor will we lose.

what we can do against those players that call really wide is use a "exploitive strategy" which basically means tighten up our range then nash suggests or shove wider then nash when players are on the tighter side.

Looks a pretty easy call against anyone who isn't a nit.

yes and yes against the right opponents.