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04-10-2008 , 11:52 AM
You wont get rent anywhere in toronto for 650. 1k+ Downtown 1500+ for 1 bedroom plus 100-150 for parking.
Internet/groceries/insurance sounds accurate. Gas depends how much you drive but DT TO you'll neverh ave to.
04-10-2008 , 12:01 PM
The balls in the jar guy has some decent ideas, it just seems (and winning players would bear out) that he's overvaluing position and future $ev.
04-10-2008 , 12:06 PM
2 bedroom+ I was thinking, I didn't think about parking costs
04-10-2008 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin8423
I'm pretty sure if you even touch a pyramid they chop off your hand in Egypt (not exaggerating) so I would stick to playing inside.
you gotta start living on the edge a little.
04-10-2008 , 12:36 PM
omfg I dumped $415 yesterday and $220 this morning. The road to robusto is not straight ...

BR$1,600, decided it was time to 4 table NL100: great guns for the first hr then in the space of 5 mins lost two sick suckouts - AA v KTs AIPF was the worst, and my KK ran into AA BvB 150BBs deep. Back down to 50NL and another hundred goes in 30 mins, the final nail was going down 2 BI at 25NL. AAAAAAAAAGGGHHHHHHHH Poker. Down 39% of my roll in 2 sessions. I think I'm taking the rest of the day off.
04-10-2008 , 01:00 PM
i hear you xPeru, today is ****. 0 for 15 in two sets....

I'm going golfing, **** this
04-10-2008 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by xPeru
omfg I dumped $415 yesterday and $220 this morning. The road to robusto is not straight ...

BR$1,600, decided it was time to 4 table NL100: great guns for the first hr then in the space of 5 mins lost two sick suckouts - AA v KTs AIPF was the worst, and my KK ran into AA BvB 150BBs deep. Back down to 50NL and another hundred goes in 30 mins, the final nail was going down 2 BI at 25NL. AAAAAAAAAGGGHHHHHHHH Poker. Down 39% of my roll in 2 sessions. I think I'm taking the rest of the day off.
dude, if you can live off of 300/month you should def. play 50NL w/ a 1600 BR, and take your time moving up. Considering you've been playing micros for a while and you (I assume) have a lot to learn to get to a level where MSNL is easily beatable, you are one of the few people I would recommend a nitty BR management to right now. Wait till you have 25-30 buyins for .5/1, b/c as long as you are at 50NL and higher, your monthly nut will easily be attainable. Concentrate on playing well and not having to worry when you get stacked. It will only take you a few months to put away 1 yr+ worth of living costs and then you can take more liberties w/ BR management without having to sweat every all in so hard.
04-10-2008 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by AMT
pifhluk,


Just use his chew toy to relieve some stress.
I can't say that I have not been tempted by the rawhide bones.

However I prefer to just throw silly putty around the room to get out the stress.
04-10-2008 , 01:15 PM
wrt ICM, I'm reminded of option theory. Balck scholes pricing model only became possible by using an assumed risk free rate of interest, originally based on US Govt debt. Obv not really risk free, because the US could go bust, but that didn't matter, it enabled the calculations to be done. I think an advanced ICM would need some similar assumptions, as well as taking into account blind structure and the quantum nature of the payouts: ie chips aren't really worth a proportion of the prize pool, they are worth nothing or a specific prize.

Eg assume a strategy of folding every hand: Szero. To know which prize you will win, you need to know the attrition rate of the other players. If they bust before you do, you win a prize (but obv you cannot win 1st prize with this strategy - no matter how effective it was at the pre-Frist PP $11s ) Their attrition rate can be calculated from the blind structure, their strategy, and the probability (p) of being dealt hands. Assume that they play correct ICM. On the bubble, we can propose a minimum attrition rate calculated as the p of 2 of the other 3 players being dealt AAv KK. They will get it all-in, and we continue with the assumption that the loser busts.

Given the above, there exists a blind structure and stack size which makes the chips of a player using Szero worth exactly 3rd prize money, and a larger stacksize that makes the chips worth 2nd place money. Any calculations for an advanced ICM, will probably have to be based on the probability of some baseline numbers such as the Szero ideal stack sizes and use assumptions similar to the risk free rate about player attrition rates. An example hand:

Poker Stars 5400FPP No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds - 5 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

Hero (BTN): t2555
SB: t875
BB: t3220
UTG: t5840
CO: t2510

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with A K

SM satellite, top 4 get tickets, 5th gets squat. I haven't run the numbers, but I assume this is an ICM shove. Under an advanced ICM, I think this might be calculated as a fold or call. We have plenty of chips to survive until SB shoves ICM correctly and busts, or blinds out. If he shoves and wins, we can reappraise the situation. I don't know what the perfect answer will be, maybe a flat call (?) but an advanced ICM would need to take into account the factors that make this obviously cEV push something which I'd need to check before knowing for sure whether it is the best strategy.
04-10-2008 , 01:17 PM
Thanks Futuredoc: I agree wholeheartedly and will follow the advice.
04-10-2008 , 01:23 PM
Anonymous didn't fill in all the details, but ICM is great for pulling balls out of a jar.

His criticism of ICM is good and is well put, but I don't think his suggestion for a model based on likelihood of being eliminated next will work out well because that depends on player strategies. The reason ICM can easily be calculated is because it's not dependent on strategies, cards, or the rules of the game. That's why it could also be applied to some game where you are pulling balls out of a jar.
04-10-2008 , 01:30 PM
xPeru, it's just super hard to build a roll and move up when you need most of that money for living expenses. If I were in your spot, and I'm not that far from it, I'd look for some other way to make just enough money for living expenses and then be able to leave your poker bankroll alone.
04-10-2008 , 01:37 PM
Looking into internet for my new place. Comcast has:
Performance with PowerBoost® (Speeds up to 12 Mbps) $43/month
Blast® (16 Mbps) $53/month

What's the difference and is it worth it? I will be playing full time.
04-10-2008 , 01:41 PM
if you get the pricier one it wont go out like ever, the cheap one goes out weekly. At least thats how it is in my area.
04-10-2008 , 01:46 PM
What do you mean go out? Down for hours or just a glitch?
04-10-2008 , 01:50 PM
down for an hour or 2, and that may only be in ATL since its the 1st time Ive had comcast. And it may also be a coincidence that when I upgraded it completely stopped and has only gone out once in the last 6 months, during a storm that took out power lines and such. Also their digital cable and on-demand stuff is awesome, and they have more HD than anyone so I think you'll like them really.
04-10-2008 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by darinvg
What do you mean go out? Down for hours or just a glitch?
does it mater? A one minute glitch is enough to cost you multiple buyins.
04-10-2008 , 01:51 PM
Thanks Microbet; I'm tutoring a guy through an MBA and have two private English students too, so I only need to cash out $700 pcm to live comfortably. Cashing out regularly has til now been the main way of proving to my wife that poker is a constructive use of my time!
04-10-2008 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by darinvg
What do you mean go out? Down for hours or just a glitch?

I think you should invest the 10 extra dollars a month. I'm finding more and more that the luxuries we have as degen's should extend to ensuring that we can maintain degen status all the time. That means good internet. gogogo
04-10-2008 , 02:01 PM
A glitch might not cost me anything but a 1-2 hour outage will cost me all of my buyins.
However, you guys are right that it's probably worth the extra ten bones/month. I was just curious if it's some marketing scheme that isn't really better, just OMG this is really fast!
04-10-2008 , 02:06 PM
Personally, a 2 minute glitch is going to cost me the exact same amount as a 2 hour glitch because I'm going to be on the phone calling z32, bigjoe, bones, slim etc until I have someone take over.
04-10-2008 , 03:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by darinvg
Looking into internet for my new place. Comcast has:
Performance with PowerBoost® (Speeds up to 12 Mbps) $43/month
Blast® (16 Mbps) $53/month

What's the difference and is it worth it? I will be playing full time.
where do you live that you get raped like that on internet service?

I get 54mbps/29.99 and thats not a deal just the regular price.
04-10-2008 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by pifhluk
where do you live that you get raped like that on internet service?

I get 54mbps/29.99 and thats not a deal just the regular price.
rofl you have no concept of normality whatsoever. Wtf do you live that you get that, only place ive known like that was a fiber testing area that was 100mb for 29.99
04-10-2008 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by pifhluk
where do you live that you get raped like that on internet service?

I get 54mbps/29.99 and thats not a deal just the regular price.
I have to pay like 120/mo for internet/TV plus a digital phone line I've never used. Comcast is the most fraudulent company I've ever been forced to deal with. They disguise their fraud as incompetence, but it's nothing but fraud. I had to call them three different times (at about 45 minutes each) to get them to

1) Stop billing for service at my old address after the date I returned the equipment. I have the receipt that shows it went into their inventory as returned.

2) Remove the charges on my bill for the extra time they billed me for at my old address.

3) Remove the charges from my old address for the time (after 2) between when I returned the equipment and when I called them to tell them to stop billing me the first time. Apparently they had "thought" that I just wanted to cancel my service at my old address, for which I hadn't had equipment for two weeks, the time I called about item 2.

Step 3 was the last piece in puzzle. They've got a company policy to attempt to defraud their customers and disguise it as incompetence. This is all after I used their "moving made easy" link where they promised to take care of all of that at once.

If I'd not been a dumbass about it and just canceled my service and had my wife get the service at the new address, it would have saved us like $800 over the next year.
04-10-2008 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by darinvg
A glitch might not cost me anything but a 1-2 hour outage will cost me all of my buyins.
However, you guys are right that it's probably worth the extra ten bones/month. I was just curious if it's some marketing scheme that isn't really better, just OMG this is really fast!
This is why you pay for 2 internet connections and have the other cord on yoru desk, the minute the first one goes out you plug the 2nd cord in and you miss a hand or two per table max. If it goes out once a year you cover the buyins (for 100+ players and prob 60+ players as well)

      
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