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04-24-2012 , 10:54 PM

GoldenBears

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I remember last year with all the VDS/WSOP/Whatever discussion someone made a bunch of graphs showing M vs time or something for different types of events.

If someone could make a nice looking graph comparing the WSOP $1 million to a regular WSOP $1k / $1.5k / $10k 6-max and then another graph comparing it to an EPT high roller, the bellagio highroller and whatever highroller they just ran in Manilla I'll ship you 25 bucks on paypal.

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04-25-2012 , 02:02 AM

bustuw72

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04-25-2012 , 02:13 AM

hoodskier

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Ha I like the video. You should have just told me to do the graph on AIM, now someone's going to beat me to the punch since I'm already drinking and I'm going to miss out on the lucky $25.

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04-25-2012 , 02:13 AM

jiggybluff

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would defiantly like to see something like this

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04-25-2012 , 02:34 AM

charder30

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anyone else just not read the OP and click the link expecting a graph?

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04-25-2012 , 03:06 AM

suchsickaments

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PM me for paypal info. Didn't have time for EPT or anything so you can just ship me half.

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04-25-2012 , 03:41 AM

CBorders

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if chainsaw isn't too busy scoping out the best slot machines in town i bet he'll be able to do a thorough analysis for a dinner comp or two

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04-25-2012 , 04:23 AM

rwesty

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Prob a pretty bad representation of the data and likely won't do the high rollers as I got bored after this one.

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04-25-2012 , 04:33 AM

rwesty

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ln of M better? i don't really know what the best way to represent this would be.

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04-25-2012 , 04:45 AM

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rwesty

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couldn't quickly find bellagio or manila structures... link anyone?

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04-25-2012 , 05:31 AM

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rwesty

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still can't find manila

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04-25-2012 , 05:58 AM

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aseHigh

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Originally Posted by charder30

anyone else just not read the OP and click the link expecting a graph?

+1

got a nice surprise tho, cool vid

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04-25-2012 , 07:57 AM

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PhapLap

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04-25-2012 , 08:16 AM

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doublejoker

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Originally Posted by CBorders

if chainsaw isn't too busy scoping out the best slot machines in town i bet he'll be able to do a thorough analysis for a dinner comp or two

Depends where the comp is for...

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04-25-2012 , 05:39 PM

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rwesty

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with the wsop me for comparison.

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04-25-2012 , 06:23 PM

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hoodskier

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What are the axes representing? Assuming X axis is the level but what is the Y axis?

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04-25-2012 , 06:30 PM

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rwesty

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x is hour, y is ln(M)

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04-25-2012 , 07:22 PM

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GoldenBears

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Hmm is this the most effective way to do it? I feel like someone did something diff last year but I could be wrong

Also if I recall, the ept shr starts with 250bb and the one drop starts with 500, but the graph shows one drop starting worse.

Thanks for your help, pm me your PayPal and I'll hit you up. If you could email me the data so that I can play around with it and make the graphs nicer that would be great too.

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04-25-2012 , 08:26 PM

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rwesty

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On phone now but I'll send data when I get back to comp in like 6 hrs

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04-25-2012 , 09:02 PM

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Bikini Wax

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Originally Posted by suchsickaments

PM me for paypal info. Didn't have time for EPT or anything so you can just ship me half.

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04-25-2012 , 11:06 PM

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rwesty

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wsop one drop starts with 1k/3k/6k blinds with 3,000,000 starting for an M of 176.47

i was wrong on the ept hr, i missed a note in the ept structure page that the high roller starts at level 8, so it starts at 100/500/1k with 250k starting for an M of 108.7 but it appears to become a better structure than the wsop 10k later on.

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04-26-2012 , 07:03 AM

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masterxcvt

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i dont understand the Y axis also. Why is it negative? What is one drop?

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04-26-2012 , 07:39 AM

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IliketoMUUF

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he said Y axis is ln(M)

ln is negative for an M <1

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04-26-2012 , 11:08 AM

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hoodskier

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Yeah, thats one thing I don't particularly understand. I don't know that the starting stack in relation to the level is a good representation of the quality of the structure. It certainly tells you if the structure is bad (i.e. a sharp decline into negative territory is clearly bad). I'd have to look at it more though I could be wrong.

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04-26-2012 , 11:09 AM

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DoGGz

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GUYS WUT IS L N ?

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