V is 23/16 over 28 hands. he is a SUPERNOVA WATCH OUT and I've been raising frequently the past hands, so I think his 3bet range is super wide here, what do you think?

No Limit Hold'em Tournament T15/T30
Buy-in: $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit
PokerStars
6 players

Stacks:
UTG - Hero (T2,482)
MP - MP (T2,850)
CO - CO (T2,898)
BTN - BTN (T2,859)
SB - SB (T2,733)
BB - BB (T4,178)

Preflop: (T45, 6 players) Hero is UTG with A J
Hero raises to T67, 1 fold, CO calls T67, BTN raises to T200, 2 folds, Hero raises to T590

Like the play, your folding to a push right?

no need to 4 bet and get in a pot OOP vs a good reg (assuming he is) pre ante unless you have certain dynamics vs him which if you just played him this one game you probably don't, regardless of your frequent raising.

Just flat imo and be careful post flop.

yes definitely

I was replying to this "yes definitely"
Ok good point. But aren't we looking to seize any type of edge we can get regardless of blinds and antes when it is very probably he is 3betting wide here? flatting I am missing the flop 1/3 of the time here and I lose initiative.

Given we are relatively deep I think flatting AJo OOP in a 3bet pot against a strong reg is likely to be -ev. There are so few boards where we can take a lot of pressure.

Obviously if he calls the 4b we are in a sticky spot, but I think the fold equity of our bet plus the meta game (I will play back at you) makes the 4bet superior.

Depending how wide you open utg, folding isn't a bad option either.

Ian

We are 4 betting to AVOID getting in a pot OOP v good reg, goal is to pick it up right here because Vs range is very wide which makes a fold likely.

If we choose to call here then we will have to play a pot OOP v good reg....

What is your table image? That's ultimately what the merits of this move depend on.

+1. Over 28 hands he is unlikely to have picked up any significant reads anyway.

Also, you do realize that being a supernova just means he's paid a s***load of rake, right ? Just his 3bet sizing alone makes me think he isn't exactly a top pro.

Sharkscope/OPR him and find a 4bet/bluff spot with a hand that's doesnt have decent equity vs his bluffrange. If he does turn out to be Phil Ivey, you might wanna find an easier spot at the table alltogether.

4bet bluff pre ante in a $10 tournament on a hunch that he MAYBE has picked up that you are very active and that MAYBE he is good enough to make a move.

lol

Just fold and move on.

You're going to need a way more serious reason to ever 4bet bluff pre ante than "i think he might be wide"

HAH ok I thought this was a perfect 4bet spot just wanted to check good thing I did apparently

Yes I've been active and played the previous 2 hands against him where he folded to aggression. Tournament has only been playing for 12 hands and my image so far is probably maniac/baluga fish. It seemed so obvious that it is a PERFECT autopilot squeeze spot for him, I thought we were supposed to be on lookout for dynamics like this at the table at that it was interesting 4bet opportunity to take. Are we only waiting for ideal spots to make moves? is this a 4bet bluff? why because I am folding to shove?

sorry Viral I didn't get that about finding a spot with a hand that doesn't have decent equity vs his bluffrange.

yeah I know I was just laughing at how supernovas love to show off their shiny stars that don't mean much. that being said I looked him up on OPR and he is absolutely crushing MTTs.

Anyways, to summarise I like the 4bet better than folding here and def. better than calling (flatting<folding<4bet/fold). We take initiative in a spot that doesn't seem that dangerous (again, think about how ideal that spot is for him to squeeze), we are using our image to make a play and we put in motion some interesting table dynamics that can be profitable

Fold to 3b vs masstabling supernova. 4b bluff isn't bad, but its a high variance play this early vs good reg, who has position.

Pretty much.

I strongly doubt the pot is big enough for him to care about trying to own you at this stage of the tourney.

Even assuming that the CO is always folding when we 4bet (which seems fair), we still need opponent to fold like 60% of the time (or make chips post flop if he flats in position). I think that hoping button is bluffing here that often at 15/30 may be a little too ambitious.

Like the thought though, AJo is a good hand to have in 4bet bluff range. Don't think I like this particular spot however.

fold to the 3-bet for sure! calling would just make life very difficult post flop you could be dominated here and if you ain't you'll be OOP against a good opponent.

however lets say there was a dynamic going on between you and V then that's a different thing. If you are able to play well post flop then yeah you can play more pots vs this opponent. You may decide to start calling there 3-bet more since they are 3-betting you more often especially when you have position , you may also 4-bet bluff more as they won't 5-bet a ton and fold to your 4-bets.

I must say though tighten up your range is always a good thing especially if you think that you'll get out played.

ok so all in all, not such a popular move I gather. I agree MTTing supernova possibly doesn't give 2 ****s about table history here so probably over read situation. just to be clear though never considering calling here for sure, that's why I thought 4bet was nice alternative to folding.

even so, last thought.. in V's place in BTN vs. 30/30 V (me probably at that point) with 1 caller, who likes 3betting with something like 77+/A9*+/KT*+/QT*+/JT*/maybe 78*+ ?