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Getting it in with AKo in late stage readless Getting it in with AKo in late stage readless

09-05-2017 , 08:46 AM
No Limit Holdem Tournament
PartyPoker7 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter
Stacks:
UTG (9,254k) 46bb
UTG+1 (6,882k) 34bb
MP (19,449k) 97bb
CO (3,038k) 15bb
BTN Hero (7,955k) 40bb
SB (12,217k) 61bb
BB (11,160k) 56bbBlinds: 100k/200k Ante 20k
Pre-Flop: (440k, 7 players) Hero is BTN K A

2 folds, MP raises to 400k, 1 fold, Hero raises to 1,060k, 1 fold, BB raises to 2,700k, MP folds, Hero goes all-in 6,875k, BB calls 5,235k

Flop: K 8 4 (16,511k, 2 players), 1 all-in
Turn: 10 (16,511k, 2), 1 all-in

River: 3 (16,511k, 2), 1 all-in
Final Pot: 16,511k


Partypoker Powerfest $22 event, 14 left, 4-5 BI payjump at 12th, not sure how short were players on the other table (I had probably something between 5-10th stack out of 14 players).

Hand importing stopped working few hands earlier when I got moved to this table so I had no stats on the 4bettor. Haven't checked him on sharkscope as well. MP opened 2nd hand in a row, this was definitely my first 3bet on this table. Could I do anything else in this hand?
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09-05-2017 , 09:49 AM
Imo wp, obv BB is pretty strong there but you cant do nothing against coolers

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09-05-2017 , 12:33 PM
I prefer the 4b shove here pre due to increased fold equity from ICM as opposed to a flat and hope to hit the flop. I think you played it well.
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09-05-2017 , 01:19 PM
I don't think HawkesDave read the hand properly. 3-bet is good, don't 3-bet rip 40bbs OTB.

Do you have stats on MP?

I actually think this is a really close spot. Yes, AK is at the top of our BTN 3-bet range(At least is should be), but we also have a cold 4-bet from the BB which is super bladed. Also, we have 0 FE. I know in game I probably never fold, but I think it's a lot closer than people think.
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09-05-2017 , 01:33 PM
Sorry, 5b shove. You're right, I misread it. There's 0 fold equity here.
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09-05-2017 , 08:54 PM
BB 4bet way too huge which tells us he likely has 0 bluffs. He probably goes a bit smaller with AA too, but he hasn't got AQ either. I don't see us having any fold equity or above 50% equity, but with the money out there it might be +cEV. I'd toss it in a 22$ powerfest and shrug/get it in in a tougher field.
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09-07-2017 , 10:55 AM
Probably small + Cev and minus ICM. I'd look for better with this stack size. You lost 5 BB, will still have 35 BB left. I think this is an ICM disaster.
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09-07-2017 , 11:50 AM
Thanks for your replies guys,
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Originally Posted by persianpunisher
Do you have stats on MP?
Didn't have them back then due to hand importing failure. FWIW now as I checked they were ~~33/23 so pretty loose
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09-08-2017 , 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 3for3poker
small + Cev and minus ICM.
+1 on that.

@OP his stats that u see after shouldnt affect your thinking about the hand. i mean, when u reason what u should do and think about it, u should think only about info that u had available while hand was going on.
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09-09-2017 , 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Soepgroente
BB 4bet way too huge which tells us he likely has 0 bluffs. He probably goes a bit smaller with AA too, but he hasn't got AQ either. I don't see us having any fold equity or above 50% equity, but with the money out there it might be +cEV. I'd toss it in a 22$ powerfest and shrug/get it in in a tougher field.
Mostly agree with this

Do you think flatting pre and playing fit/fold otf could be an option? We are getting 3-1 pre so need 25% equity and we should bink 33% of the time. We could also get a cbet and possibly more post. Sometimes well spike an ace when he has KK and a pair when he has QQ. Only downside it seems when we hit a K and he has AA, tho we block that scenario a bit
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09-12-2017 , 05:31 AM
wp, gotta lose the money
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09-12-2017 , 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by wowsooooted
Mostly agree with this

Do you think flatting pre and playing fit/fold otf could be an option? We are getting 3-1 pre so need 25% equity and we should bink 33% of the time. We could also get a cbet and possibly more post. Sometimes well spike an ace when he has KK and a pair when he has QQ. Only downside it seems when we hit a K and he has AA, tho we block that scenario a bit
This is not bad in general with AK if you think there's no fold equity, but if we think he has KK, AA or AK a significant % of the time then we're just going to miss the flop a lot or still be behind when we do hit. In a spot where we put him on 99+/AQ and have 0 fold equity this'd potentially be better than jamming, but here it seems we're too far behind.
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09-12-2017 , 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by nomalice
@OP his stats that u see after shouldnt affect your thinking about the hand. i mean, when u reason what u should do and think about it, u should think only about info that u had available while hand was going on.
Yeah, I'm aware of that, that's the reason why I haven't mentioned those stats in my opening post.

Tbh now as I think about it, it becomes foldable for me since we need like 41% for a +cEV stackoff and we don't have it vs TT+, AK and at these stakes people rarely tend to make 4bet bluffs in spots like this one. In addition to that, $22 powerfest is probably pretty soft so it's a waste of potential further profitable spots if we lose.
Damn I did it again

Last edited by Marecki; 09-12-2017 at 08:41 AM.
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