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FTOPS 0 -- couple of PF spots FTOPS 0 -- couple of PF spots

03-16-2010 , 05:34 PM
As far as I can tell, Villain is a nit and a fish. In the two orbits preceding this hand he's passed up opportunities to open from the CO and BTN. He's played one hand in thirty, in it, doubling with the goods. My image is equally nitty as I have been card-dead for the last hour or so to the point of getting no action on the few hands I've been dealt, though I'm not sure he's thinking about that. Table dynamic has included a lot of raise / folding to 3-bets / light 4-bets in which Villain and I have largely not participated.

Even given this read and these images, is this still completely ******ed to pass this up ...

Full Tilt Poker MiniFTOPS Event #12 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10000/t20000 Blinds + t2500 - 9 players - View hand 593494
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

UTG: t967568 M = 18.43
UTG+1: t202409 M = 3.86
UTG+2: t296124 M = 5.64
MP1: t330742 M = 6.30
MP2: t1109979 M = 21.14
CO: t470852 M = 8.97
Hero (BTN): t363530 M = 6.92
SB: t666474 M = 12.69
BB: t650936 M = 12.40

Pre Flop: (t52500) Hero is BTN with T A
5 folds, [color=red]CO raises to t43255

... and, when he pulls the same **** again an orbit later, to take this one?

Full Tilt Poker MiniFTOPS Event #12 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10000/t20000 Blinds + t2500 - 9 players - View hand 593479
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

UTG: t874568 M = 16.66
UTG+1: t239909 M = 4.57
UTG+2: t238124 M = 4.54
MP1: t671071 M = 12.78
MP2: t1054479 M = 20.09
CO: t699852 M = 13.33
Hero (BTN): t313530 M = 5.97
SB: t856724 M = 16.32
BB: t463186 M = 8.82

Pre Flop: (t52500) Hero is BTN with 4 4
5 folds, CO raises to t43585, Hero raises to t311030 all in ...

I'm not experienced in HSMTTs, but it seems to me obvious that we ought to be shoving anything better in either case.
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03-16-2010 , 05:41 PM
your chip stack in the 2nd hand seems to indicate that you folded hand number 1. thats upsetting.
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03-16-2010 , 05:44 PM
Yes, I'm asking if it's just totally ******ed to fold in spite of a strong read and a possibility of 'finding a better spot.'
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03-16-2010 , 05:45 PM
Hand 2 looks fine but hand 1 I think you're relying on your read too much, just shove.
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