I made everyone's name/position bold just to hide any action that might/might not have taken place.

No stats at all on the CO.

Shove or fold?

Blinds are increasing super fast (ever 1 or 2 min, I think). Don't recall the pay jumps, but 9th place is $67 and 1st is $800ish.

PokerStars - $3+$0.30|20000/40000 Ante 5000 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 10.49 BB (VPIP: 13.89, PFR: 10.34, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 37)
BB: 23.75 BB (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 10.42, 3Bet Preflop: 16.00, Hands: 48)
UTG: 28.61 BB (VPIP: 15.79, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 38)
Hero (UTG+1): 11.66 BB
MP: 18.65 BB (VPIP: 20.59, PFR: 20.59, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 35)
MP+1: 6.86 BB (VPIP: 11.83, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 94)
CO: 55.73 BB
BTN: 55.17 BB (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 52)

8 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has 4 4

fold, Hero?

I probably close my eyes and shove.

Might not be the most optimal ICM play but I think it's a play you need to make if you want to win the tournament.

looks like a fold, annoying though. i remember when this was a snap shove cos people would fold 88/AQ

Shoving this all day long. In it to win it!

plug them numbers in:

http://www.holdemresources.net/h/web...s/nashicm.html

Icmizer tells me it's a good shove. But I know that sometimes people omit the bottom of their shoving ranges where hands yield minimal + chip EV. Just wondering if anyone does that here.

Probably payjumps are not significant until top 4, and with blinds incoming soon, I think its a spot we have to shove.

I think I might fold this in UTG +1 with 2 shorter stacks taking ICM into consideration, not at he final table its a shove but you are not making much profit (although with 10bb you are never making much profit)

This being the final table I would pass on this and look for a better spot maybe hope to jump up the ladder a bit I know you say the cash jumps are not much from the bottom paying places but every $ counts

I think I nit up and fold this at a final table. I know it may not seem like we can wait for better spots, but I think we can.

If most of these vills will calloff vs our 10-12bb shove with 44+/A9+/KQ, pocket fours has about 40% equity. If we fold this hand and end up having to shove something like 98s within the next orbit, we still have 37% equity against that same shoving range (plus we may be able to shove that 98s/etc. from a later position which greatly increase the value of our shove as opposed to shoving 44 from early position). So what I'm getting at is that we can probably wait for a better spot because shoving 44 from UTG1 isn't that great of a spot to begin with.

Plus we give the baby stacks a chance to bust, and maybe a larger stack too

I think it's a shove - people generally play very tight at FT in your kind of spot and so will expect you to play a tight range - so will probably fold too much

how is this 1st hand with 8 players? did 2 go out in the same hand?

Yeah - two people got knocked out at once to bust the final table bubble, putting only 8 there.

Is money pay jumps are significant to us?