so the **** you i have a straight flush draw without any fold equity move?

Someone's gotten out of touch with $5 tournaments after crushing online poker for too long...he has a ridiculous number of Aces and 6s in his range. I think check and hope he gives us odds to draw to our nine or so outs.

correct, and a boat/quads draw. It helps me sleep at night.

9? Even assuming he has Ah6h we have 10 outs, with Just AhXh we have 11...

Plus he doesn't always have Ax and hearts...

bet/call that turn, fire up another if you're wrong. you have a lot of outs and the best hand plenty of the time. i mean if he had Ax often enough to be worried then he had 77+ often enough to be getting it in with him drawing thin/dead.

Duh on my part, half asleep when I wrote that post. On second thought, I am probably not folding here no matter what because it's so early in the tourney and we can just play another one.

Karl,

If he's not supposed to have many aces or sixes in his range, what do you suppose he would just call our turn bet with? (Since you want to b/f for value.). Even a ****** can see that on a 2345 board its very easy to have a straight. So while he shouldn't have an ace or six, we can easily have one, so what's he calling with?

It seems like if he should rarely have a straight here, we should be check/calling for value? (Or check/jamming to protect against a random higher heart or something?)

You do not trap in multiway pot on a drawy board early in a tournament... Bet big on the flop.

wanna expand on "big"? Are you saying PSB, or like 450, or a shove?

I'm saying like whatever big will make opponent on a draw sorry for calling if a heart doesn't come on turn.. pot is 600, and the board is like super draw, ... generally you can afford trapping and sucking them in only with a lock in your hand this early and that's by far not the case here. I'm betting half the pot if I have straight and NFD, I'm betting the pot if I have straight, I'm overbetting with set or 2 pairs... Simply, the greater the danger of being outdrawn (and you must remember I'm talking only about early stage of a tournament) the bigger you bet. Ofc some people won't let their draws go, some will gamble with them to death... some will lay it down, so the choice is really yours... you wanna keep it low and believe in your ability ot outplay your opponents later on in many other pots, or you don't and you get it in. Overbetting or shove if you wanna play long ball variance, scarebet and check/fold/call depends if you wanna play smallball and trust your skills.

if all my bad turns leave me holding top set with an open ended str8 flush draw then i prob would be a richer man

you're like norwoodmatt but with CAPS. I mean...I get what you're saying, and obviously you want to charge draws, but that is super-exploitable IMO.

you know how many games it takes to play with a single person before he's comfortable with your style and can exploit it? Most people would assume that shove means a draw...some would assume it's an overpair... others might even think TPTK... and then you don't play against the same people in a tourney all the time...
And when you have nuts, you bet little, and people come along and call, and then you bet again and get more of them, or you just let them bet first as if you didn't mean it... i mean, there's so many ways, so many factors...

I wouldn't worry about being exploitable... maybe in cash games, where people hunt fishes and follow them and make table selection... it makes more sense.

my pstove is spazzing out and i can't get it to work, can someone post a breakeven range for villain?

I suck and folded btw

I suggest a ridiculous overbet on this flop. In part to protect your hand but also because there are so many turn cards here that can kill your action to the point of preventing you from stacking an underset, one of the not so many hands that will always play a big pot against you here with you ahead.

425-525 flop, i prefer c/r tho instead of leading out.

Yeah, you're right. I guess hes way more likely betting his hands as a (semi)bluff then he is calling them when we bet. I agree that c/c seems better.

Lots of results oriented thinking here.

Prf is fine. Flop is fine. Alt is c/r flop. C/r doesn't look as scary as normal here and he likely puts you on a small overpair or FD which is not bad since any larger pair or FD calls or raises.

Turn is a horrid card obv. I'm flatting the turn. Reason is he's calling any river shove from us anyway no matter what and trying to keep UTG in hopefully since we're trying to draw to the nuts/near nuts.

I was thinking exactly this except for the turn being a horrible card (I'm still flatting it). How many chances do we get to pull at an OESFD + a full house + Quads? Mucking the turn is like passing on an opportunity to see sasquatch.

I think you may mean my post in part. However I'm not thinking about what happened on the turn here when I suggest overbetting the flop. Overs are not giving you much action regardless -- even if they turn a pair. A nut flush draw is going all the way on the flop, but may fold to a second bet on a brick turn. A hand like 88 may give you less money than if you bet normally, but I'm not sure that's true. Most villains with a hand like TT will not be able to get away on the flop, but can fold the turn if one of an enormous number of scare cards comes.