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fold this low flush??? fold this low flush???

02-16-2009 , 05:08 PM
really, really tough spot here!
I decided to fold, is this a really bad fold?

Full Tilt Poker $2 + $0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t60/t120 Blinds - 8 players - View hand 41160

UTG+1: t8533 M = 47.41
MP1: t9030 M = 50.17
Hero (MP2): t11460 M = 63.67
CO: t5935 M = 32.97
BTN: t5620 M = 31.22
SB: t3174 M = 17.63
BB: t3440 M = 19.11
UTG: t3080 M = 17.11

Pre Flop: (t180) Hero is MP2 with 5 3
2 folds, MP1 calls t120, Hero calls t120, 1 fold, BTN calls t120, SB calls t60, BB checks

Flop: (t600) 8 4 J (5 players)
SB bets t120, BB folds, MP1 calls t120, Hero calls t120, BTN calls t120

Turn: (t1080) 7 (4 players)
SB bets t600, MP1 calls t600, Hero calls t600, BTN folds

River: (t2880) 7 (3 players)
SB bets t600, MP1 raises to t4680, Hero requests TIME.........
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02-16-2009 , 05:13 PM
well you made your hand, which is what you were drawing to. i guess someone could have a higher flush or full house... if there was only one other person in this hand, i would say call, however w the other person in there it is correct to fold. you still have like 10k in chips, which is probably way above the average, and youre not even close to short stacked, plus youre the table leader. dont risk such a high percentage of chips on such a questionable call... look for a better spot.
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02-16-2009 , 05:31 PM
Fold pre.

Flop and turn are std.

River looks like a fold, MP1 has a higher flush pretty often, I don´t give them credit for a fh tho.
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02-16-2009 , 05:35 PM
I agree fold pre, but I was running this table over recently outplaying them on flop so pre is o.k due to circumstances, but I agree it is still boarderline
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02-16-2009 , 09:43 PM
Pre isn´t even borderline in a 2$ tourney, no way this is a profitable limp however big your edge is.
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02-16-2009 , 09:46 PM
Dont fold this, villian can have tons of hands that you are beating.
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03-10-2009 , 04:30 PM
I actually don't disagree w/ the limp along if he knew the table would limp a lot, but only as a speculative hand that I intended to hit big on. Its not a great play but when it hits its draw it can get paid off. If you're out flushed GG. No idea why anyone would have limped a PP then bet really lightly on the flop w/ trips so I'd think your flush is good.

BTW Folding=bad. You made a solid hand that you could be way ahead of a ton of hands. and if they turn up w/ the better hand then so be it.
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03-10-2009 , 04:52 PM
I've got to agree with fold pre, but I understand you enjoy the challenge of playing low cards in multiway pots. And they are suited.

I'm sensing a higher flush or full house here from MP1. I think there would be more potential for a call if that last diamond hadn't also paired the board. I'm folding, but then I don't have a 2.2 million bankroll.
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03-10-2009 , 04:57 PM
pre is fine afaik
fold river...no one in a $2 is turning a jack into a bluff here with someone left to act...their river raise range consists of better flushes and boats. occasionally you might see 75 or 76 for someone who called a gutter and ran trips, but i really dont think its often enough, with someone to act, on a flushed board.

i wish there was a way to prove how often this is a bigger flush, because i beleive thats like, 90% of MP1s range.
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03-10-2009 , 05:25 PM
yeah its a good fold i think
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03-10-2009 , 10:25 PM
If you weren't sandwiched, you could make a disgruntled call hoping to see trips. The SB can't re-raise, but even if he calls you have to hope that neither has a flush or a full house, which at this point seems unlikely. The SB has also put in almost half his stack this hand (1380 of his 3174). If you were to fold he would be getting almost 1:4 to call (1:5 if you do call), so he's obliged to call. Furthermore, you're only getting 1.7:1 expressed odds to call, 2.1:1 if the SB calls. You have to win about 1/3 of the time to make calling breakeven. MP1 played this exactly like you would expect a flush draw with position to play (and I'm assuming he has a better flush than you), so that combined with the chance that the SB will call with a better hand than yours makes this a clear fold
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03-10-2009 , 11:17 PM
I think a set raises the turn, so a boat is highly unlikely. I fold pre, but as played I fold river also.
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