Long story short, with blinds at 20/40, and sitting on the starting stack, can i possibly fold Aces with a 4bet multi way action pre flop with the BB left to act? I'm in SB).

Or just jam over the top with just 2k more for every caller?

Never fold there unless 4.40 is all your money in the world and without min cashing in this tourney you will starve and die with no other way to earn 4$.
In fact...still shove there.

no

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If there's a super hot chick standing behind you saying "if you fold, i'll have sex with you", then folding is fine. Otherwise its not.

Ok, thanks. Just knew i'd get called and have a 4 way pot.

looks like you are playing too high if you are scared with aces preflop

Lol g1.

My concern is, with so many people in the hand, i could easily get beat and be out where even if i was up against KK, QQ and JJ exactly i'm only going to win about 50% of the time (with my runbad....25% of the time but thats another story).

Maybe early in the tournament, it's a 100% shove but closer to the bubble arguments can be made to fold?

no unless its a satellite with a flat pay out. You play to ship the whole tournament...not to cash.

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No.. i mean you want to win the tournament and if you somehow win this hand, you will have a pretty ba stack and will be in good shape to make a deep run. While if you fold you will end up flipping for your stack later on anyway.

I would understand if you folded say on the bubble of a high buyin tournament that you took shot at (like WSOP ME or something like that), but its ridiculous to even think about it as for $4 mtt.

Understood. Just looking for advice as a newb.

PS: Your avatar is perfect right at this moment. Lol.

Ok, four people invest 3,000 starting stack first hand. AA vs KK vs QQ vs JJ as you suggest. You have 54% equity → ~6,500 chips you win on average. Thats a monstrous 116% increase to your stack. Nobody in the world is good enough to pass up such an edge.

I hate his avatar

That's the poker debate i need. Thanks.

I've just read in places that it may be a good idea to fold aces in a multiway pot at times and wondered if this was one of them.

I didn't care it was just a $4 MTT. I wanted to know the correct play/reasoning of the situation. With just a basic understanding of the game, i would never think to fold them pre flop but when you read something that says you could/should you start to wonder.

Anyways, feel free to close. I've had my lesson.

Don't listen to anything from anyone that told you that you should think about folding AA pre

Your math skills are lacking if you need to ask this.

Read above.

Math not problem. Pokah skillz is.

if you can triple up and have 50% equity you take that all day.

but seriously, if you question this, you might want to take a step back from playing and work on some fundamentals

u should prolly quit playing poker for a while. read some threads and books to learn more fundamentals.

Again, i was only seeking clarification on the scenario. I've seen it mentioned and wondered if that was a spot that i read about.

I now know it's not and never will be.

I know we shouldn't post hand results so i'll put it in a spoiler if that's ok.

this needs to happen before you play. its in everyones best interest not to tell you this but do as you will....

As mentioned in the first page;

"With just a basic understanding of the game, i would never think to fold them pre flop but when you read something that says you could/should you start to wonder."

Was just thrown off by the suggestion and wondered. Yeesh.

Standard spot to fold AA preflop, I wouldn't be folding AA suited though.

Answering seriously though, you need to read up on and get a basic understanding of equity/expected value (Ev) since this is the most fundamental aspect to poker. Every play / hand a good player makes is always aimed at maximizing their Ev, since that is how you make a profit from poker in the long run. Short term results don't matter, if you are making +Ev decisions you will profit in the long run, if you are making -Ev decisions you will lose in the long run.

While you may lose this one hand (and 30% of the time you will), 70% of the time you'll be trippling up, an extremely +Ev play which in the long run you will profit from.

Here is a basic article on Ev for you to read:

http://www.cardschat.com/poker-odds-expected-value.php

no, you can't, read this^

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If you think you lack skills then why not take a flip for this many chips?

No its simple math and logic. Not poker slillz. Forget even learning what EV... at least the fiundamentals should be ovi to you.

just really being blunt not trying to be a dick... may have sucedded though in the latter.