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03-11-2010 , 10:49 AM

_RossDvd_

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pre raiser has been relatively quiet and has opened one hand in the first 40 mins or so the small blind is a massive calling station who calls 60% plus pre so far and peels any draw at all.

Poker Stars $100+$9 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: t3170 M = 42.27
BB: t3000 M = 40
UTG: t2655 M = 35.40
UTG+1: t3170 M = 42.27
UTG+2: t3000 M = 40
MP1: t5885 M = 78.47
MP2: t2880 M = 38.40
CO: t2620 M = 34.93
Hero (BTN): t6235 M = 83.13

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is BTN with 4

4 folds, MP2 raises to t250, 1 fold, Hero calls t250, SB calls t225, 1 fold

Flop: (t800) 4

(3 players)
SB checks, MP2 bets t400

how bets to proceed?

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03-11-2010 , 10:55 AM

sunnydunerz

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Originally Posted by _RossDvd_

4 folds, MP2 raises to t250, 1 fold, Hero calls t250, SB calls t225, 1 fold

Flop: (t800) 4

(3 players)
SB checks, MP2 bets t400

how bets to proceed?

make it like 1123 or just shove

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03-11-2010 , 11:01 AM

Texas Chuck

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i like a shove here to rep a draw, a guy this tight might can fold a K to a normal raise.

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03-11-2010 , 11:03 AM

furo

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or fold pre...

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03-11-2010 , 11:03 AM

ssnyc

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what do people think of the pre flat? I don't love it with the opener having 2800 and opening for 250...not sure we shouldn't just fold pre

flop I do some silly click it back or something...look as bluffy as possible

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03-11-2010 , 11:04 AM

sunnydunerz

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Originally Posted by furo

or fold pre...

and this obv. didnt realise it was 5xed

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03-11-2010 , 11:08 AM

davethedave2

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Originally Posted by Texas Chuck

i like a shove here to rep a draw, a guy this tight might can fold a K to a normal raise.

+1 for this. Simplifies things.

Dont like pre. No implied odds to setmine and nity OR has 5xed it from early.

What $100 is this?

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03-11-2010 , 11:18 AM

_RossDvd_

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I totally accept the fold pre argument it was just that with this much of a nit opening 5x and an uber fish i would have pos when he almost inevitably called i thought the implied odds were there, but i accept its not great pre

but to be fair if i stack him i get 10 to 1 and the extra from the fish

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03-11-2010 , 11:19 AM

_RossDvd_

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sorry if its not clear the initial 5x raiser c bet 400 so i now have to (fold lol) call or rr or shove best ideas pls

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03-11-2010 , 11:20 AM

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ssnyc

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Originally Posted by _RossDvd_

sorry if its not clear the initial 5x raiser c bet 400 so i now have to (fold lol) call or rr or shove best ideas pls

min raise

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03-11-2010 , 11:21 AM

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chazzreinhold

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Originally Posted by ssnyc

I used to hate it but in SSMTT randoms seem to open bigger with better hands and that makes the chance of stacking when you hit a set that much greater. So when deep enough I will flat something like this on occasion.

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03-11-2010 , 11:22 AM

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greenrebellion

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I think a shove is the best way to look weak here. He may hero you with QQ,JJ and he's always calling w/ a K or Ax flush draws.

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03-11-2010 , 11:22 AM

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ssnyc

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So when deep enough I will flat something like this on occasion.

we are so far from deep enough here IMO

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03-11-2010 , 11:29 AM

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_RossDvd_

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Originally Posted by chazzreinhold

just to be clear this is the stars 100 12.5k freeazeout not sure that qualifies as ss

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03-11-2010 , 11:50 AM

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_RossDvd_

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okay so I decided to flat call to try and lure the fihs in as i figured he might have got some part of the flop and also I thought if villain has qq jj then he may come for more on turn

i flat fish calls out the sb and turn comes 3x fish checks villain leads i shove and he snaps with jqo and misses wheeeeeee

he must have been so card dead or something because he had been so nitty then just blew up with jqo w/e gg ty

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03-11-2010 , 07:15 PM

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chazzreinhold

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Originally Posted by _RossDvd_

just to be clear this is the stars 100 12.5k freeazeout not sure that qualifies as ss

Yeah good point, I miss read.

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03-11-2010 , 07:15 PM

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chazzreinhold

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Originally Posted by ssnyc

we are so far from deep enough here IMO

I agree, and prob not deep enough to do it. Just trying to make a point

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