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Flopped set, which line to take? Flopped set, which line to take?

11-15-2013 , 02:16 PM
$5 Knockout MTT on Carbon.

Villain is a semi-regular in my games and i consider him a pretty bad player.

Villain-2300
Hero-3800

Blinds 20/40. Folds to Hero in the CO, raise to 80 with 3 3. Villain 3 bets to 260 from the BB. Hero calls.

Flop J 9 3

(Pot 540) Villain leads for 405.

Do you raise here to try to get it in against an overpair/AJ/AKcc? or just flat call and try to let him connect with a turn A/K/Q if all he has on the flop is AK or AQ, or if the turn blanks let him continue and possibly jam Ace high?
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11-15-2013 , 02:40 PM
Don't min bet pre this early.

Fold to the 3bet ainec.

As played, call flop and jam the turn is probably best but probably close to just jamming over the cbet on the flop.
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11-15-2013 , 04:47 PM
As played: GII OTF.
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11-16-2013 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Old_Timer
Fold to the 3bet ainec.
seriously? any reasoning behind that?

fold for 5% of your stack with a 1/6 shot of flopping a set and playing for stacks against a big hand in position when your opponent is leading the flop 90%+ of the time?
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11-16-2013 , 06:09 PM
fold to 3b obv

as played i probably just jam over on the flop, looks weaker than raising
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11-17-2013 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jdawg91
fold to 3b obv

as played i probably just jam over on the flop, looks weaker than raising
why fold to 3b for such a small % of stack?
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11-17-2013 , 06:49 PM
I'm never folding pre flop ....the blind are small stacks are deep. If his 3bet was worth more then 10% of your stack then you have to fold.

as played , raise otf or gii imo.

if villian is holding overcards like qq+ or AJ , they may 3bet shove on otf when u raise since they may feel you're raising with F'D or jx types of hands.
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11-18-2013 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DrawNone
seriously? any reasoning behind that?

fold for 5% of your stack with a 1/6 shot of flopping a set and playing for stacks against a big hand in position when your opponent is leading the flop 90%+ of the time?
You need to consider the effective stack depths and villain is not deep enough to flat the 3bet.
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11-18-2013 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Old_Timer
You need to consider the effective stack depths and villain is not deep enough to flat the 3bet.
Exactly. Calling to setmine against ~50bbs is a serious leak and will lose you a lot on the long run.
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11-19-2013 , 07:01 AM
I really don't have a problem with calling the 3-bet pre. Your total Implied odds are 13-1, you've got position, and he's 3-betting you from the BB which at this point in time i'm willing to think indicates reasonable strength (I would like OP's opinion on whether he thinks this player is capable of re-stealing from the blinds?).

As played, on the flop I agree with what Jdawg said. Shoving looks weaker.
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11-19-2013 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Dragons_Egg
I really don't have a problem with calling the 3-bet pre. Your total Implied odds are 13-1, you've got position, and he's 3-betting you from the BB which at this point in time i'm willing to think indicates reasonable strength (I would like OP's opinion on whether he thinks this player is capable of re-stealing from the blinds?).

As played, on the flop I agree with what Jdawg said. Shoving looks weaker.
at these stakes, 3-bet steals are very rare. and the guys sizing makes me think he had something.

as the hand played out, he bets 405 into 500 on the flop, i made it 1100 and he folded. i think i agree that shoving would have been better than calling, but in this case is dont think it would have made a difference as he probably had AK/AJ and no piece of the flop.

the reason i asked about raising vs. calling the flop is another hand i played. i had 55 with a 2 5 9 flop and villain cbets, i raise. he ended up calling with AK, an ace hit the turn and he ended up stacking off anyway. however, if he had just folded flop we would have never seen the Ace so flatting the bet on the flop would have given me a much higher chance to get all of the chips in.
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