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11-19-2007 , 09:24 PM

Solent

journeyman

Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 210

Wow, what a flop. And then THIS happens. My read is a pocket pair because of the early limp, but I could be way off.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t2575)
BB (t6095)
UTG (t9345)
UTG+1 (t5785)
MP1 (t1240)
MP2 (t2695)
MP3 (t9705)
CO (t3219)
Button (t2025)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4

, 4

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2 folds, MP1 calls t150, 4 folds, Hero raises to t300, 1 fold, MP1 calls t150.

Flop: (t750) J

, J

, 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets t150, Hero calls t150.

Turn: (t1050) J

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets t300, Hero ???

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11-19-2007 , 09:26 PM

Supwithbates

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 4,530

Lead flop

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11-19-2007 , 09:32 PM

hamnegger

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Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,425

fold or bluff i fold

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11-19-2007 , 09:33 PM

Wish

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,559

Complete or make a real raise preflop. Minraise is horrible. If you complete from SB, you can make a bet of around 300. If you raise pre, it's an easy shove on most flops, since MP1 will have less than a pot sized bet left. As played, lead the flop for 400-500, call a shove.

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11-19-2007 , 09:42 PM

betgo

banned

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 28,590

The miniraise preflop is an absolutely awful play. You are building the pot in the worse position and reducing your set odds. The play is bad in general, but worse in the SB with this hand.

Slow play on the flop in OK, but it may be better to lead or checkraise OOP. Maybe checkraise the tiny bet, since villain has less than a pot sized bet.

Villain has been betting tiny. I would checkraise allin on the turn. There is just too much money in. I don't know if you get a better hand to fold often, but atleast you won't get drawn out on.

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11-19-2007 , 10:08 PM

hamnegger

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Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,425

i didn't even read the miniraise part. that IS bad. can you explain reasoning? i think a raise to 5bb or so is a good play or a limp is fine. i think the raise is most +ev getting heads up or taking it pre.

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11-19-2007 , 10:23 PM

Solent

journeyman

Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 210

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You're right, mini-raise is bad. I guess I was just trying to get rid of the BB, but how often will a miniraise accomplish that? Not often, so bad logic on my part.

Also, I guess I'm afraid to raise 4 or 5 BB with a small PP. I probably should have just limped.

I also made the mistake of not paying attention to villain's stack. If I did, I would have check-raised all-in on that flop for sure.

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11-20-2007 , 12:41 PM

mappedout

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,930

Yes get it in on flop, worry about the crappy turn card/suck out after you get it all in good.

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