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10-19-2014 , 06:44 PM
Early in tourney, blinds are 100/200, no ante. I still have my starting stack, 8K

I have JJ under the gun. Raise to 700, two callers.

Blinds folded so I'm first to act after flop.

Flop is J74, all diamonds.

Pot has 2,400 so I bet 1,600, one call, one fold

Turn is A clubs. I figure he's on an ace high flush draw and just made a pair. Decided to check shove. He has me covered by about 1,000 chips.

I check, he bets 2,200. I shove my remaining 5,700 and he snap calls with AQ diamonds. River doesn't pair and I'm gone.

Any way to get away from that hand? I don't see how. Gotta bet him off the flush draw. If he has the flush, gotta hope for a boat. Can't fold a set of Jacks on the flop.

Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks.

JAG
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10-19-2014 , 08:10 PM
bbv
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10-19-2014 , 10:39 PM
???? bbv ????
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10-20-2014 , 12:03 AM
Raise a little less pre otherwise nh
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10-20-2014 , 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Jagadelic
???? bbv ????
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10-20-2014 , 12:08 AM
Shove turn with SPR1 to get value of hands like AxQd, AdQx, AxKd, AdKx
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10-20-2014 , 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by AKupaA
Shove turn with SPR1 to get value of hands like AxQd, AdQx, AxKd, AdKx
I agree with this^^

You are argumenting for a check/shove turn, but if your read is correct (villain has ace/high flush draw and will consequently bet turn), villain will most probably call the turn all-in anyway. But if your read is wrong and the opponent has a weaker flush draw (or one pair and flush draw, or just decide not to bet because he's the one whose hand can only get better, ...), you may be giving him a free card by checking the turn, which is terrible for us in this situation.

Otherwise, no, there is no way to get out of this hand with these stacks IMO, which is why you're getting the bbv comment, because for those people it's so obvious.

Last edited by scheier; 10-20-2014 at 06:50 AM.
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10-20-2014 , 04:52 PM
Scheier - Thanks. Makes sense. Don't give a potential free card when opponent is likely on a draw. I made the correct read that she looked very eager to bet; that's why I checked. Unfortunately, I didn't know that his eagerness was based not on having the nut draw, but the nuts. Haha

JAG
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10-20-2014 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by scheier
I agree with this^^

You are argumenting for a check/shove turn, but if your read is correct (villain has ace/high flush draw and will consequently bet turn), villain will most probably call the turn all-in anyway. But if your read is wrong and the opponent has a weaker flush draw (or one pair and flush draw, or just decide not to bet because he's the one whose hand can only get better, ...), you may be giving him a free card by checking the turn, which is terrible for us in this situation.

Otherwise, no, there is no way to get out of this hand with these stacks IMO, which is why you're getting the bbv comment, because for those people it's so obvious.
^ ^ Yes
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10-20-2014 , 05:30 PM
Preflop raise is too big. And I might just lead the turn rather than risk giving a free card and missing a street of value.
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