Maybe a standard spot, idk. I'm a random to him. Is he ever getting it in here vs my c/r with AA/AK/QQ (?), or does his value range consist solely of KK/TT? (Doubt he ever 3bets AQ pre.) For those posters who snap his flop 3bet/jam and shrug if we're coolered, do you play the rest of the hand any differently?

He took a few seconds before jamming but didn't timebank or anything.

Poker Stars $150+$12 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players

10xachar10 (UTG+2): t3060 153 BBs
WhinnePie (MP1): t2810 140.50 BBs
imjuniar (MP2): t3367 168.35 BBs
eidur888 (CO): t3060 153 BBs
SEROEGA (BTN): t2970 148.50 BBs
DuckU (SB): t2980 149 BBs
Hero (BB): t3000 150 BBs
Gimicio (UTG): t2633 131.65 BBs
delaney_kid (UTG+1): t2940 147 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with J J
Gimicio raises to t67, delaney_kid raises to t180, 6 folds, Hero calls t160, Gimicio calls t113

Flop: (t550) K J T (3 players)
Hero checks, Gimicio checks, delaney_kid bets t345, Hero raises to t1234, Gimicio folds, delaney_kid raises to t2760 all in, Hero ?

sick. c/r flop defines your range alot here but i dont see folding with JJ since he can shove TT/QQ/AA/AK as well
if he shows KK/AQ its not your tourney

He is playing very agressivey so his range is AA/KK maybe QQ and perhaps AKs (if loose may be also calling AQs/AK0). So of those possibilities 8 combinations beat us, 19 wins (do I have the math right?) so the odds are 8:37 v 1686:4889. Looks like a snap call to me....

^^

I dont know but it doesnt matter here, you cant fold.

Edit: relderretep, while I agree it doesn't matter for the hand in question, I'd still be interested in thoughts on a winning reg's range to play for stacks on this board this early after 3betting from EP pre. Next time I might find myself in this situation with AA, which would be a much tougher decision imo. (Of course, I'm guessing I'd c/c AA on that flop rather than c/r-ing.)

yeah, i misread your post a little :P

I doubt that his usual range is anything more than KK or TT but even the better regulars have their moments where they go "ah wth, all in" with AA or QQ here.

Also, i wouldnt have played the hand differently by a lot, i would just raise less otf (~900) to make it seem like he has some FE, he maybe shoves Qx hands more often then.

I'd get it in but wouldn't be overly excited about it.

really easy fold pre

You could fold but I I am still calling getting these odds and if we get re-raised pre we can deal with losing 160 chips.

ya, def fold pre.

seems really dumb because we get put on JJ/QQ immediately by a good player and therefore we play the entire hand against an extremely strong range face up


he has KK here 100% of the time

fold pre? why cant we set mine?

o rly?

i mean yeah you prob shouldnt raise flop but w/e. results?

I didn't say anything about calling down three streets. I just said I would call pre. Seems like a standard set mine to me.

maybe not DK since he can spaz a little more than others early but really against many good players you're beat here almost often and you should be beat. He might just be oi with QQ and put it in cuz he has 10 outs.

why are we face up as JJ/QQ if we cold call the 3bet here? cant we be flatting a lot of PPs here if we expect opener to flat a fair bit?

at OP, reads on OR and/or how he lost 400 chips already are prob important to establish delaney's range.

Yeah, I mean, I agree with isuxatpokerbad that there isn't a ton of difference between JJ and, like, 77 in this spot, given how narrow delaney's range is likely to be, but maybe that just means we can be flatting 77 as well (although I probably wouldn't do so in-game); seems like a classic implied odds situation if OR flats a bunch and delaney's willing to play for stacks with AA/KK on a lot of boards.

tbh, I was multitabling and didn't notice; I didn't recognize his sn, but no reads beyond that. On the extremely remote chance that delaney OPRed him at some point in the hand and adjusted his range/play accordingly, he's a losing small-stakes player with very little volume. Pretty sure he was a Euro, too.

You flat the flop and just c/c down here on most runouts if we don't fill up? We flatted pre to setmine and hit gin on a coordinated board where we could plausibly have a bunch of worse hands in our c/r range (especially as a perceived random); I thought getting chips in on the flop was standard here if not mandatory.

I'll post results in a bit; I can PM you if you want 'em now.

well i mean delaney kid really ****ed this hand up if he didnt have you beat since he really shouldn't ever be getting it in with worse unless hes oi since your minimum hand here is like 1010

just call the flop as played call

Still don't see the point of c/c-ing flop here.

Anyway, results: I called; he had AA.

it keeps your range widest

But (as you said) my range is already exactly QQ/JJ because I flatted pre.