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07-27-2016 , 10:02 PM

ChanY

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Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 1,244

Poker Stars, $50 Buy-in (2,000/4,000 blinds, 600 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37402123

BB: 271,813 (68 bb)
MP1: 395,432 (98.9 bb)
MP2: 284,639 (71.2 bb)
MP3: 197,320 (49.3 bb)
CO: 150,467 (37.6 bb)
Hero (BTN): 405,586 (101.4 bb)
SB: 93,976 (23.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A

3 folds, CO raises to 9,520, Hero raises to 24,500, 2 folds, CO raises to 53,520, Hero raises to 404,986 and is all-in, CO calls 96,347 and is all-in

Flop: (309,934) T

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: (309,934) 4

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (309,934) 8

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

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Can't stop smacking my head against the wall like dobby, obviously I'm a bit results oriented but flatting should be a good and more variance fre option?

Alarm bells were ringing when I got clicked back but I decided to go with it since i
A. Had 3-bet the hand before
and
B. BTNvCO dynamics

kthxbai

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07-27-2016 , 10:11 PM

zanardi1

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,589

Reads? At this stack depth ill flat as a default, the min 4ball is really concerning guess ill flat rather than jamming, but still not a fan getting 37 bbs pre unless ive got solid reads.

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07-28-2016 , 02:01 AM

RalphWaldoEmerson

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seems ok...you can't fold this to 4b BTNvCO and flatting 4b with SPR 1 sucks so i'd gii now. imo the decision is preflop...3FT you may want to 3b AQs+ and just flat this. also doesn't hurt to protect your flatting range vs. SB jams.

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07-28-2016 , 05:35 AM

furo

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Super std unless you just don't like to 3b with a huge stack

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07-28-2016 , 06:19 AM

trent32la

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3bet pre is standard. Really not a fan of the stackoff when villain backraises us here and I prefer to just let it go. Villain only 4B/calls the top of his range and likely shoves/flats the middle. Imo, CO needs to have a read that you're 3betting him light here and then 4bet all his opening range pre for you to be stacking off here. JJ is the only hand I feel villain makes a normal 4bet and then calls off our 5B shove that we have decent equity against.

Never flatting the 4B here.

Last edited by trent32la; 07-28-2016 at 06:24 AM.

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07-28-2016 , 11:12 AM

AmpeFund

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Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 1,195

Good hand to look at. My first thought was to 3b around your sizing, and flat the 4b, or just flat the initial.

Did you run this scenario through hrc or anything ? I think it comes down to a math/range problem, barring some extreme read/circumstance..I played around w a few models, including HRC vs a 23% or and as an overall range, it gens greater ev flatting pre the first time..and 5b pre in this dynamic, leaks pretty big vs this sizing.

I think from an overall range perspective, it really depends how you structure your 3b range, and how light/often you want to be. Using a fairly linear range, I think where Ralph cut it off is prob right.

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07-28-2016 , 11:29 AM

RalphWaldoEmerson

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3b/f is by far the nut worst option

facing 4b you're IP and the price is super good and you have ace queen, how can folding be > flatting?

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07-28-2016 , 12:12 PM

user12345

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Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 3,737

Just bs talks guys
1st thing you have to figure(assume) is whether he 4bets polar or linear.

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07-28-2016 , 12:42 PM

ChanY

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Thanks guys, probably just a bit results oriented. Probably flatting AJ, defo GII AK and at a couple of BB deeper flatting AQ is pretty viable as well but this just felt like it was a bit above the treshold considering my image and the situation.

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07-28-2016 , 02:40 PM

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OutPlayU27

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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson

3FT you may want to 3b AQs+ and just flat this. also doesn't hurt to protect your flatting range vs. SB jams.

I´ll rather flat AQs, and 3bet AQo, why do you think is better?

OP, We know nothing about V or dynamics (only that we 3bet once vs him?), any stats, reads?
In a vacuum, i´ll fold to the 4bet (standard 3bet for value), cuz people tend to have it here (esp randoms)
And yeah, flat AQ once in a while is viable

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08-02-2016 , 11:48 AM

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KIMBO_MAN

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unless villain is a 4bet nit - standard

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