Couple bubble spots that I'm curious about.

SB is a reg, though I don't have much other info on him (playing without HEM recently)

wp both hands.

Yeah standard pf play

Is basically almost everyone 50/fifty player reg rely on rakeback? I just looked at the leaderboard for this year and the top player made less than 20k for this year and its already been 5 months.


The 5th best player made 14k and the 10th player made 12k.


I had looked at the leaderboard earlier in the year and there were players who were up 18k in 3 months. What happened?


So it seems like 40k/year prerakeback is the most one can possibly make on these?


I checked the leaderboard for last year and best player made just bit below 40k and 10th best player made around 20k and it seems like that is going to be the same for this year?

called variance sir

no alotmore then 40k will be made this year

these run up to $500 20k swings arent un common

Yes i understand variance. But if you look at last year... the top player made just shy of 40k and the 10th best player made a bit more than 20k. There were less than 5 players than made 30k.


Yes they run up to $500 but very few $500 run, I think max 1?


Are you saying there will be players that would be up more than 50k pre rb? Maybe 2 max?

i cant speak for everyone but i know i played other formats for 6months of the year..

so yes im saying ill earn way over 50k pre rb this year if i dont play hypers i cant speak for others

3% pretty easy on these games

You sound like 40K is nothing.2-3% ROI prerakeback is very respectfull in today`s tough enviroment especially in the highest stakes where most regs play close to GTO.I have a lot of respect for the grinders who play tons of games and manage to eke out a positive ROI prerakeback. Also most multitabling grinders rely on the rakeback anyways so if you include that the 40K guy can easily make 160-180K w SNE.Better then what most jobs pay these days.

40k is a good amount not counting rb. However the reason why i make it sound like it isn't a lot is b/c its very hard to make SNE which is worth about 100k and very few ppl make it. The other thing is i look at pre rb a lot more


The reason i say this is because when Dons were still there, i remember i saw ppl on the leaderboard where the top 10 players made 40k each and some of them were 70k and thats pre-RB and you dont see anywhere close to that at fifty/50s.


So basically a person total profits could be 70k pre rb and they make 30k from rb. You would never see anything like this at 50/fifty. You would probably see 10k pre rb and 50k rb etc.


There were some players who didnt play that much volume and still made more money pre-rb than rb and those same players... they cannot do this at fifty/50s.

fifty50s are harder than DoNs, that's why

SNE rb is about 130k and high stakes sng grinders often make more than 1x SNE..

Are most of those sng grinders who make SNE and more than 1x SNE... are they more hyperturbo or turbo sngs or fifty/50?


I would figure very few fifty/50 reg could go much higher than 1 million vpp like 1.25 as oppose to those guys who play high stakes sngs and hypers?

dude use the ****ing search feature on scope with rake paid its not hard

he isnt one of them why u asking him

and yes im going for 2million

Again, 1mil is 130k, with 40k pre, is still 170k total..
Friendly advice: don't be numbers oriented at this stage, work on your game and grind, if you will be capable to crush high stakes fifty50's you will be able to grind 6max 9mans whatever..

What is Hero' shoving range here with two shorties on the table?

readless id say a10+ most suited aces and all suited boardways

not true, rois based on same player abilities and same reg:fish ratio, the top fifty50 player will make more then the top DON player

Not everyone's a top player, your highness, and from my low stakes perspective - I was doing much better in DoNs than in fifty50s. But that's just me, glad you're doing better.
Top player in fifty50s may have better ROI just because these games are quite new compared to DoNs and not everyone managed to adjust, yet. ROIs will drop, be assured

Back to the hand above - how about pocket pairs to the range? All of them?

I know this isn't the right thread for my following question and it should be going in beginners questions or something like that but I'll explain after why I've asked here, so..

Poker affiliates, I have had no experience with one until now. Very nice guy and seems very trustworthy. I've read about good players having affiliates and everything goes well, but I've read a few horror stories also..

So.. Anyone work with an affiliate here? Or know anything of them? Anything I need to be aware of?

I've had to post here as I think he picked me up from the other threads.

Sustainable ROi at the $1.50 $3.50 and $7 games. Say 1k games at the $3.50 level what would u expect to make obv if u have an understanding of the game??

3.5-7 b like 10% min if you play 10tBles or less then way more

This is not true.

Equilibriums of a game mostly depend on how big the mistakes will be that randoms make. If you compare this from a don structure and a f50 structure, mistakes in early games by clashing/stacking too much are wayyy worse in dons, also, calling too wide, wayyyyyyy worse in dons, the only thing that fish naturally will do wrong in f50s is being not agressive enough sometimes.

The implication of this is that a f50 equilibrium would have less regs per game to make up for that fish make less horrific mistakes, but because people dontl ike to change and these losers all like to keepp playing 10handed games that stop at 5 handed, this is not the case and its still very reginfested.

Dont get me wrong, i think you can get 2%-3% in a f50, but the general way a f50 is setup makes it more diffucult to absolutely crush them. You can compare this a little bit with the way a 9man and an 18man pay structure is setup.

Agreed that calling to wide hurts much more in a don then these

However in a reg infested environment you have to agree that if me and you play 10/10 reg games, more so yourself that you will have a greater roi in fifty50s then don because there is more room to increase roi due to the chip worth $

I would fold A9s in the above example. When called, you are staring at a bigger ace or a solid middle pair.