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04-08-2013 , 12:41 PM
Hi all, new here.

I was googling for $ev adjusted information for fifty50. The thing is that I have hm1 and the graph looks like this:

Adjusted ROI: 9,2

I downloaded the trial version of pt4 and the graph with my Cnet adjusted shows:

Adjusted ROI: 7,25

Anyone knows how they calculate it? Which one is more reliable?
Thanks
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04-08-2013 , 07:34 PM
im not going into how they calculate it, there is loads of into out there on that. PT4 is more accurate
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04-10-2013 , 03:09 PM
How many players out there actually play these full time for a living? I know Dons there had to been a lot but from looking at the lobby, how come there seems to very little traffic for these? Yes there are 7s, 15s and 30s but rarely that many games running at the 60s and 100s. Sometimes theres even more traffic at the 100s than 60s and even so its never much. Sometimes at nonpeak hours, theres not even 1 game running at 100s and once i saw no game running higher than 30.


I see there are 200s, 300s and 500s but how come none of these are ever filled? Is it b/c the great Don players quit 50/fifty b/c its very hard to make profit in these? I know Roi are much lower in these games than dons but did a lot of regs from dons quit these?


Also why is it 60s are not profitable due to rake and reg-infestation? If you're a top reg, aren't you still going to be up not counting rakeback? Then 60s are reg infested but 100s are not? That doesn't make much sense as i figure 100s would be more reg infested?
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04-11-2013 , 04:52 AM
It doesnt make sense because traffic is so bad in these that all players playing 60s are playing 100s as well. Why they just dont bring DoNs back and run them together with fifty50s so we can play 40tables DoNs and 20fifty50s and be SNE playing low-mid stakes
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04-11-2013 , 07:05 AM
And "collusing" like there's no tomorrow.
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04-11-2013 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Fran
It doesnt make sense because traffic is so bad in these that all players playing 60s are playing 100s as well. Why they just dont bring DoNs back and run them together with fifty50s so we can play 40tables DoNs and 20fifty50s and be SNE playing low-mid stakes

But how come traffic is so bad in these? I know dons and these play much differently but is there a reason why the traffic is so bad? Is it b/c the game is close to unbeatable without rakeback for the majority of players compared to dons?

I do see there are a few SNE when i open up my stars lobby who plays these but these are very few. Also anyone noticed how a lot of the top don regs either dont play these anymore or if they do, they are playing much lower stakes? I see players who did good at the higher stakes dons and i see them playing lower at these fifty/50s. Is it b/c these games have just gotten too tough?

Also, how come there are very few $200 fifty/50s going? I figure if these were dons, there would be 5+ games going at a time but not so for these ever.
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04-11-2013 , 05:39 PM
Hi guys, I'm totally new to this fifty50 game and starting at $1.50 limit. Is there any good fifty50 series out there I can watch and learn? I've watched jjyykk video at Deucescracked but it's only one video. Thanks.
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04-11-2013 , 06:28 PM
Don't think there's anything else out there yet.
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04-12-2013 , 04:19 AM
Yap. The best content you can find in the internet is this thread. Read it all, i did the same when started to play them.
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04-13-2013 , 05:24 AM
Traffic is low because winning strategy in the Fifty50s is often counterintuitive to a "standard" STT play. For example it is often correct to fold AKo to a shove on the bubble(if u mid stack vs CL ) when very short stack present but very few players will do that,call and leak equity to the rest of the table.Soon they will got fed up with loosing/low ROIs and leave the game for greener pastures.I routinely see good regs at the low limits opening and calling a shove with TT,AKo first level which is almost always a mistake vs normally tight reshoves(barring a maniac of course).
IMO the game has no "viral" future(in the sense of spreading like viral growth) and players who intuitively sense this and don`t want to invest time and effort in it soon quit playing it altogether.The game is generally a nit fest and gamblers dont like it hence no fresh blood is coming hence low ROIs hence exodus.
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04-13-2013 , 06:59 AM
This game is full of fishes, easy money and good time
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04-13-2013 , 12:45 PM
DoN's had way more fish than these, all you needed to be profitable was the Fold button.
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04-13-2013 , 03:23 PM
I'm not sure i would describe traffic as low, more fifty50s run then regular turbo+non turbo 9 man sngs.
And all games have less fish now then 2009 or whatever.
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04-15-2013 , 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by chav
Traffic is low because winning strategy in the Fifty50s is often counterintuitive to a "standard" STT play. For example it is often correct to fold AKo to a shove on the bubble(if u mid stack vs CL ) when very short stack present but very few players will do that,call and leak equity to the rest of the table.Soon they will got fed up with loosing/low ROIs and leave the game for greener pastures.I routinely see good regs at the low limits opening and calling a shove with TT,AKo first level which is almost always a mistake vs normally tight reshoves(barring a maniac of course).
IMO the game has no "viral" future(in the sense of spreading like viral growth) and players who intuitively sense this and don`t want to invest time and effort in it soon quit playing it altogether.The game is generally a nit fest and gamblers dont like it hence no fresh blood is coming hence low ROIs hence exodus.
Folding ak


Games will never die
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04-15-2013 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by kobe88
DoN's had way more fish than these, all you needed to be profitable was the Fold button.

Why do you say this? Not much fish play these compared to dons?
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04-16-2013 , 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by PS ICANTSNG
Folding ak


Games will never die
For some players AK is the Holy Cow of poker,they swear by it and are never folding it.
That`s why Games will never die.
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04-16-2013 , 05:56 PM
Hi all!

I've gathered a nice BR by playing 7$ Fifty50's. I got the money to move up in stakes , but my roi doesn't agree Only have 2% roi at the 7$'s (30K games). I need someone who can help me bring that to 4 or 5 % before going to 15$ and 30$. Coaching, vids, charts, whatever, you name it, i'll pay it. Want to take things serious and make an attempt for SNE in 2014 or 2015.

Anyone?! Cheers
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04-16-2013 , 07:49 PM
If you have a low roi at 7s/lose money at 15s, maybe you should just try what I call the sunny strategy and move up to 200s and get sne.
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04-17-2013 , 01:14 PM
Stop it please. Here is the deal, if you say something negative about another player or poster the whole post gets nuked, we don't care what it said. Please be civil and discuss strategy or roi for 5050. This is not the place for personal attacks.
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04-18-2013 , 03:34 AM
Hey, sorry if this has been answered already, but i cant find it anywhere...

In HM2, how do i see if Im running above or below ev?

thanks!
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04-18-2013 , 04:23 AM
I see the graph on page 84....is that it?

Also can someone please give a good HUD suggestion for fifty50s...
..does anyone filter for 6 or 7 handed ,or #bbs?

Thanks!
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04-24-2013 , 05:28 AM
Been trying to get my head around HEM and SNG Wiz, so thought I would try uploading a hand I played very badly, I guess I'm hoping for some fishy abuse so that I don't fold in a spot like this again..

    Poker Stars, $14.31 Buy-in (125/250 blinds, 30 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    UTG: 2,234 (8.9 bb)
    MP: 1,767 (7.1 bb)
    CO: 1,434 (5.7 bb)
    BTN: 2,400 (9.6 bb)
    SB: 1,100 (4.4 bb)
    Hero (BB): 6,065 (24.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 6 J
    4 folds, SB raises to 1,070 and is all-in, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: 680 pot
    SB mucked and won 680 (400 net)
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    04-24-2013 , 06:41 AM
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    Originally Posted by caesar882
    Been trying to get my head around HEM and SNG Wiz, so thought I would try uploading a hand I played very badly, I guess I'm hoping for some fishy abuse so that I don't fold in a spot like this again..

      Poker Stars, $14.31 Buy-in (125/250 blinds, 30 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      UTG: 2,234 (8.9 bb)
      MP: 1,767 (7.1 bb)
      CO: 1,434 (5.7 bb)
      BTN: 2,400 (9.6 bb)
      SB: 1,100 (4.4 bb)
      Hero (BB): 6,065 (24.3 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 6 J
      4 folds, SB raises to 1,070 and is all-in, Hero folds

      Spoiler:
      Results: 680 pot
      SB mucked and won 680 (400 net)
      Reads on villian here but usually this is going to be a fold in this spot without looking at it in Nash or anything
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      04-24-2013 , 03:42 PM
      No way this is a fold.You are getting 2:1 on a cEV bases and j6s against like even supertight range of Ax,22+ any BDW is 36%.
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