Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players
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UTG+1: t1500 M = 50
UTG+2: t1520 M = 50.67
MP1: t1540 M = 51.33
MP2: t1470 M = 49
CO: t1470 M = 49
BTN: t1490 M = 49.67
Hero (SB): t1550 M = 51.67
BB: t1500 M = 50
UTG: t1460 M = 48.67

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is SB with T 8
4 folds, MP2 calls t20, CO calls t20, BTN calls t20, Hero calls t10, 1 fold

Flop: (t100) 8 5 4 (4 players)
Hero bets t80, MP2 calls t80, CO folds, BTN folds

Turn: (t260) T (2 players)
Hero bets t280, MP2 raises to t570, Hero ???

Very early on in 27-man $10 at Stars, no reads. The flop and turn bets were pretty untypical of me. Too high. Thoughts?

No takers?

shove ....your turn bet size is bad 180-200 would have been fine and given you the option to fold to a raise(although i still wouldnt fold) this is pair plus fdraw alot

Dont lead the flop, as played... you do realise its a limped pot your OOP and ppl will show up with anything to beat you here, but I still jam over the turn.

I think you're facing trip 4's or 5's.

Let pot odds decide if you call or fold.

Don't lead the flop? What? Does anybody agree with that? Leading the flop on pots like this has protected so many hands for me... have I been missing something?

Hero Shoves. Bet a little less OTF maybe, and betting so much OTT kills your action against alot of worse made hands in Villain's ranges because the T has a good amount of FE in combination w/ a big bet if villain as A8, etc. they'll have a tough call of a slight overbet. Usually I just keep the lead for like t220-t240, because even though you're betting enough to set up a shove OTR (which is typically a good thing), such a big bet is gonna force out alot of villains range that may call a smaller bet here and a more reasonable bet OTR--plus if there's money left to play OTR, and we make a value bet w/ chips behind, it gives villain a chance to shove over us w/ a busted draw, etc. which we can snap. Idk though I might just be overthinking this and missing value by not trying to pot every street w/ an SPR around 14 on the Flop thats pretty textured (ie pretty hard to set up a 3 street value shove most of the time unless someone raises somewhere along the way).

i dont see what you beat if he is any good
if he has a overpair/bad two pair/nutflushdraw/draw + pair he raises this flop for sure and prolly c/c the turn for pot control because he can be beat easily

shove and pray he sucks, this is 44/55/67 a very high % of time

turn bet is too big too thats why i think he aint raising with worse than a set here often too

Those were my exact thoughts, which lead me to fold the hand. He limped in, so putting him on 67/44/55 didn't seem like a far stretch. This is where I regretted betting so much on the turn though... I don't know what I was thinking. It made the fold harder than it should have been.

With hands like A8, K8, 54 etc. I think he raises that draw heavy flop every time, and definitely does not raise the turn like that with those hands. Playing a flush/straight draw on the turn like that would just be too weird as well.

I agree with that. You will save yourself way more chips then you win by leading. I mean, im not saying always check the flop oop with TP, crappy kicker but I like to do it with a hand like this for pot control. I may get flamed for it but with this kind of hand I want to keep it smaller. if you bet and you are behind, it lets villains play perfectly against you as you will have a hard time folding the 2nd best hand many times.