Just a couple of questions:

- Since losing how many buyins is it considered to be a downswing?

- Are downswings stronger depending on how many players per sng you are playing? (9man/180man, etc.)

- How can i know if im just running bad or if my own leaks are the ones making me lose soo much money? (i play 18man and red line is useless)

- Does anyone have a good method for not letting it affect you? (I am right now on a 35 bi downswing and i dont feel like grinding anymore, my stomach hurts and i feel mentally crushed)

Thanks for the replies in advance!

-Totally random number tbh, for some formats a 50BI downswing is rare-ish for others it's just another Sunday.

-Less % of field paid/more % of prize pool at top places=more variance=bigger downswings. So generally more people playing results in bigger downswings. 50BI downswings in 180 mans as an example are pretty much completely standard.

-Honestly my advice would be is make sure you're playing as optimal as possible and don't worry about the rest.

-First of all 35BI downswing in 18mans is totally standard (don't think there is a format left where it would be considered rare). Take a break if you need to or drop your volume for a while, but if you can't deal with **** like that get out now. It won't be your worst downswing, expect to hit the magic 50BI downswing one day and if you're really lucky expect to hit a tripple digits one magical day . Other general tips are have solid BRM strategy ready for when things get out of hand, don't watch all ins, force yourself to be in a good mood before you start a session,...

good method? good bankroll management.
At 18 mans i had 100bi 'losing periods every couple of week @ 5+% roi.

for couple years i try to play games where red line works and i consider
50+ BI below ev running bad
100+ BI below ev downswing
150+ BI below ev doomswitch

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above apply only to short period of time/small sample sizes, cose i dont consider running 100-200 bi under ev in a year a downswing/doomswitch cose got used to it

Wow guess i was crying for nothing.

I am playing the 3.5 18 man turbos now, had a meh 5% ROI at 1500 sngs until ds came, that kind of killed my mood but i guess i should just man up.

I have around 160 buyins left so im on the nit br management side right now lol, thanks again guys!

Downswings are inevitable, I am currently in one Most important thing is to do more study e.g. SNGWIZ (fun,fun,fun) to ensure that you are infact playing optimally. OP the fact that you only have a 5% ROI suggests that you probably have a number of leaks in your game.
GL

35 buyin downswing is nothing. Totally standard. Be prepared for much worse!

Considerung you're still a beginner, they're going to be much worse/bigger than "standard" downswings.

Can -20% ROI over 300 games be caused by downswing/variance or does it mean I'm a losing player?

Totally standard,review it after 1K games at the very least

fyp

I´m roi 4 player after about 10 k ongame sngs and I have about -100 bin downswing atm in 5 max turbos.

I had a 150 one, luckily I was partially backed . 1/2 of my volume was 180s though back then, so it was pretty standard .

You dont need 5K games to be sure about if you're winning player or losing player..
Maybe to make a rough assumption on your true longterm ROI,but not to know if you're winning or losing.
I agree maybe 1K games was a little low,but 5K games is a little off as well IMO.
Obv depends on the kind of game as well.

35 bi donwsing for 18mans is very common

does a downswing mean without one cash ? or are you talking about games gone with out winning the whole tourney?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36...ncement63.html

You need to man up or stop playing 18-mans because 35 buy-ins is nothing. It just happens unfortunately.

You need to man up and stop playing 18-mans