All of you guys are screaming for the chat logs and for arbitration/mediation etc. and what Bakes owes. Maybe he knows/thinks he's right and doesn't give a F*** what OP or the rest of 2+2 think.

yeah, cause that would make him a badass er something, right...?

first you come in with some logical arguments and points, and then you post the most ******ed idea i've seen in this whole thread, lol

idk how you can expect to just leave it alone forever and assume its all good when you dont even have his phone number, clearly you dont have a close enough relationship to just assume you can pay whenever and never mention it(changing the method of payment too!).


The chat logs dont even matter, who the **** assumes they can pay a stake weeks after they say they will without further communication with someone who you dont even know their phone number?

The fact that you never made contact ( I dont think so anyway Im skimming through the thread) between the time you made the initial agreement and the tourney doesnt look good for you MattG.. I mean you didnt send him 1 IM PM or anything saying hey I still want action etc Ill get you the money. Same goes the other way. Bakes didnt message you in that time span hey wheres my 10%? Poorly handled by both parties IMO.. If I had to vote I would side with Bakes.. And I like MattG..

Grunching after the first few posts, but you said you had no way of contacting him -- you realize that PMs work on 2+2 right?

I'd say he doesn't owe the money.

Bakes owes nothing imo

You broke the deal by not shipping or trying to make other arrangements. How can you possiblely be asking for $ now ????????????????????

Understand Bakes position 100%

im seeking balance in my life

Ill be the first to admit I surly don't understand the everyday dealing with high stakes staking agreements, but I think ops explanation as to the lack of contact between the first and only contact until after the completion of event leave a great deal to be desired and is suspect iyam. Imo the burden of proof falls on OP to back up his claim and it is this lack of the very evidence he seems to be counting on to prove his side. So unless op can produce something more concrete as apposed to hypothetical pass dealings with others as the only evidence of validity of claim I would say dude doesn't owe him anything, until proven otherwise.

I tend to agree with this. But I do find it surprising given the dollar amounts that Bakes doesn't just show the chat log to a few neutral parties to clear the air as it would please the OP. Obviously an unfortunate situation on the whole.

Lets be honest about the truth, there was no "forgetting" to pay the next day, mattg was skint and couldn't pay and decided to wing it and then attempt to claim is %. Load of lies and I'm glad bakes is not a shirt lifter who would pay out!

If I walk to my local bookmakers shop, as for 5k on Argentina to win the World Cup but say, "I'll bring the money down tomorrow as I'm short just now". Now, once Argentina win and I go to collect my 50k do you reckon it'll be sitting waiting for me? I doubt it, I'll be laughed out of the shop!

Seriously, who cares if the chat logs are not viewed? Shame on people for trying to blacken a mans name by posting here, grow a pair you gimp and face him like a man, tell him your grievance and see where it gets you. Probaly a sore boat race but at leat you'll feel like a man and not a keyboard g'sta

Shipping this to MTTC

i agree with this. i dont think bakes owes any money and its not that close.

Matt G,

Do you think you were freerolled? If no, then you shouldn't be results oriented that he FT'd and be over it by now. If yes, you should probably be more careful with who you swap with.

Bakes,

Why the **** would you not post the chat log? That just looks scummy. I think there is no chance you were freerolling Matt, fwiw, and think you are in the right and owe nothing. I just don't see why you would hide the chat log, lol.

I've done hudnreds/thousands of swaps/loans/borrowing/various deals in my life and always have AIM logs/debt list/and am very OCD and specific and never run into any problems. As always with all these threads, both people are usually in the right and in the wrong, and should just be more careful.

I agree with this too. If Bakes & MattG were close friends or had swapped/ done business a lot in the past, then the waters might be slightly muddier. But at the end of the day the onus is on Matt, not to necessarily pay beforehand, but definitely to contact Bakes and confirm he has booked action.

I think it hinges on prior staking relationship between the two of you; "reputations" as backers or w/e are irrelevant. The fact there isn't any prior staking relationship at all means that a single aim conversation with no money up front is not binding. I highly doubt he would have asked for the money had he bricked the tournament.

knowing this story from diff accounts by bakes and fatalerror before the event about selling 100% and having the list etc. No way bakes and jon would ever collude to **** over mattg that's just unlike either of them. Matt Im sorry he did semi well and you felt like you won but you didn't and deserve 0$s and as others alluded to I would expect bakes not to ever ask you for $ and refuse it when you tried to give it to him.

I think nothings booked until $ is sent or agreed to a date one date is reached and not sent its void which it seems it was. Unless you said I will be in Vegas on X date and you were like the cash will be waiting for you while it seems like you just ran bad online and didnt send there and weren't making much of an effort to communicate or get him the $. Im sure there are many people you could of asked in vegas to give him 5k for you before the tourney but you made 0 effort.

lol how is this even a discussion? mattg says he'd ship the money the next day and doesn't. There's no contact what so ever for over 3 weeks and none until the event is over...I mean ****ing lol people. Bakes clearly doesn't owe anything. Even if MattG truely thinks he's owed something he should just forget about it because he was too unorganized to remember to send someone their money for 3 weeks.

The ONLY way he would is if mattg had said "if i forget to ship you the $5k i owe you for 21 straight days I will give it to you in person in vegas between date X and X"

obv that didn't happen.

unless the aim log says:
forgetfulmatt: i would like 10%
mr_maridu: booked

then it would be pretty tough to think bakes owes anything.

lol it's pretty obvious it says something similar to that. but then matt forgot to pay him and didn't talk to him for three weeks.

my best guess is to why bakes won't share the log is because he does indeed say the word "booked" in it. that really doesn't matter though, considering he didn't get the money which imo unbooks it.

NO Money NO Pay, judge Judy has spoken

Wait is Bakes dating Maridu? lol

Stealthmunk and imsolucky are right IMO. I really think both players are in the wrong and completely irresponsible given the specific context of the two players in question/specific terms (which we simply have to assume are the terms because Bakes won't confirm or deny), and really just think this is all awfully dealt with on both sides. Still though, seems like Bakes shouldn't have to pay diddly. I think that the exceptions brought forth by noah and ZJ are valuable, but largely not applicable in this particular context.

Frankly the arguments of stature/general community notoriety just make me that much more surprised that people like this handle their business and professions in this manner.