Blinds $4,000-$8,000, or something like that.

Down to 7, pays 9.

Sitting with $230,000 in big blind. Button has $90k. Limps the button!

Small blind flats (he might have had $150 or so), I ship with A-J, thinking he limped with small pair, suited connector, something he wants to see flop with.

WRONG! He open limped with A-K on the button.

How bad of a no raise was it? Obviously, his limp got me to gift him 11 Bigs late in tournament. If he raises 2.5 X, or ships, he might get them anyway. I don't know.

I just felt like it was very fishy limp that makes no sense. Fishy or expert play?

You're the fish and I didn't even have to read the post.

Why would he want to fold you out with a raise when he probably dominates you. He wants action

He wanted action. Maybe he had you tagged as an aggressive squeezer.

Never go broke on a limped pot.

I just can't ever see myself just calling the button when everyone checks to me.

Obviously, he got me to raise with a dominated hand.

Maybe I should incorporate that?

^^^^ no. His play is terrible...You limp with AK and have two callers out flop you and fold when you don't hit most of the time and relinquish your equity? Dont ever copy fish. Just play your A game. If button shoves there with 11bb you're not calling with AJ??? Dig what I'm saying?

NSS - Please don't tap the glass.

OP - try it for yourself - sometimes being unorthodox makes you a crusher on the metagame-astrophysical-level. I say go for it.

Thank you nonsimplesimon.

I thought I was losing my mind reading other posts. Maybe I was just being trolled. Haha. I thought it was super fishy.

And to your point Beachman, I might do it against someone I have been leveling with for several hours. But, I limp so rarely, my limping range is probably aces or kings, more likely than other stuff.

Ehh wat?!?

Friday tournament was experimental, as I think, based on what I am reading, I am generally too nitted.

Plus, that was early in tournament where average stack is 50 bigs. Not late, when average stack is 15 bigs.

Truthfully, the limping strategy was not bad Friday night. My table was pretty weak and I was able to maximize and fold easy. Obviously, totally spewtarded the Q-10 hand. Frigging moronic call.

If I was at a harder table, think I would have been eaten for lunch.

Generally speaking open limping will be a big minus in terms of EV. If someone else open limps in front of you, limping behind becomes a more viable option, especially with medium strength hands, but it is still fairly weak, since you open yourself to a squeeze play, and you reduce your chances of taking the pot by putting yourself in a situation where you usually have only one way to win: by hitting the board and making a real hand.

So should you open limp? I would say no, never. Or at the most, only very rarely, only with a big hand, and only if you are positive that someone else will squeeze play behind you so that you can 3-bet.

Of course then you become much easier to read, as in "gee, I never see Floyd open limp unless he has a big hand, he must have Aces!" so you have to balance your big hands by open-limping weaker holdings, which leads us back to the point where open limping is a big minus-EV leak. Really you are better off to never do it.

Should you limp behind? Like most things in poker, it depends. It depends on what kind of players are at your table, how many have limped ahead of you, how likely it is that someone behind you will squeeze, how strong is your hand etc etc. Bottom line is yes, sometimes you should limp behind, especially with speculative hands at do well multi-way, like suited connectors.

I try and balance that by occasionally limping behind with big Ace hands (that I won't feel too bad about dumping if I miss the flop,) and also very rarely limping behind with a middle-to-large pair that I can checkraise a squeeze play with. I would not advise you to make a habit of limping behind and do it all the time, just think of it as something that is okay in some circumstances.

As for the hand you posted, on the surface of it I would say that unless he is some kind of savant, it was a case of the fish catching the fisherman, since I cannot imagine any good player open-limping the button with AK and a 10 BB stack.

edit: Or maybe he just made the judgement that you would raise? if I had seen you and the SB being really splashy I might try that limp. I would have to be 99% sure one of you would raise though.

I was catching good cards but wasn't threebetting without big hands.

Got my hand caught in the cookie jar raising once from MP with 7-5 suited and had to call a 6 BB all in from the button.

But, Small blind was passive, and think 7's up and a-10 up was my raising range there. maybe K-Q suited.

Lesser hands, probably would have felt content getting a flop for free.

I don't think I am raising connectors or junk there.

Limping AK with 11xBB is just bad. He should be happy to take the blinds and antes if he shoves. If he had 15+xBB, then limping AK might be playable.

You should call with AJ if he shoved. Easy push with AJ unless you think this player is mostly trapping when limping.

limping utg was really cool about 3 years ago but now is so damn obvious that at our home game we have a kazoo and we blow it every time someone limps utg

if you're so stupid as to shove AJ over an UTG limp then i'm amazed you can think and breathe at the same time

This was a button limp. Depends on whether the guy is limping often or not. Hard not to get it in with AJ for 11xBB against the button regardless of what he does. A 2.5xBB raise might look scarier than a limp here. You need a stronger hand than AK to limp with 11xBB to induce.

Limps the button!

That is from the post!

Was not an UTG limp.

Hey Old Silver, the jerk store called, and they are running out of you.

Solid burn

LOL
Yep, I gotta take that on the chin
Sadly I have to agree that shoving AJ over a button limp is totally fine and that AK limp is nonsense
I'll just wait for your next thread. Shouldn't take long to return the burn

Haha.

I am donk. Will get many chances to laugh at me!

Following morining I late reg and get A-k, and ship 23 bb's over a 3 bb raise.

he calls

A-k-q-2-j

he has j-j.

To be honest, was happier with the jack then the 10, haha.