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01-08-2012 , 10:07 PM

Kingandtheduck

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About 2000 left out of 30k players, everyones playing tight, no-ones getting out of line, havent seen any light calls on this table for about 30mins

My image is ok, been card dead for a bit

Thoughts on ship? What range would you ship?

PokerStars - $10+$1|2500/5000 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP+1: 128,963.00
LP: 89,214.00
CO: 32,952.00
BTN: 170,611.00
SB: 22,838.00
BB: 84,562.00
UTG: 36,510.00
UTG+1: 112,668.00
Hero (MP): 49,748.00

antes

Pre Flop: (12000.00) Hero has 8

fold, fold, Hero raises to 49,248.00 and is all-in

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01-08-2012 , 11:21 PM

TheItalian333

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from late positions: A6s+,A9off+,22+,K8s plus,KJ-KQoff,QJs/QJoff,Q10s,J10s,suited connectors,if get down to 7-8bb shove any suited connectors/gapped connectors.

Then again I think my range is a little wide.

I find shoving A6s UTG sometimes more profitable than shoving same hand in CO.

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01-08-2012 , 11:34 PM

Kingandtheduck

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ty^ interested in the ranges for this spot in particular

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01-08-2012 , 11:36 PM

TheItalian333

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IMHO,fold. You still can jam something of range I described UTG and possible catch some sort of hand in the blinds.

Also wait for blinds to pass them jam BTN,CO with any two.

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01-08-2012 , 11:43 PM

Kingandtheduck

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^ so you would rather wait and jam suited connectors UTG? Surely its better to ship with 2 less players to get through

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01-08-2012 , 11:45 PM

TheItalian333

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Originally Posted by Kingandtheduck

^ so you would rather wait and jam suited connectors UTG? Surely its better to ship with 2 less players to get through

I really think it depends on table's tendencies. when i said "something of described range" i did not necessarily mean suited connectors.

However jamming suited connectors UTG might be a better move than jamming same connectors in MP.

You gotta remember that shoving any two cards in UTG is very strong move and possible caller will almost always need a premium hand or what he would consider "better hand" to call (depending on your image).

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01-09-2012 , 12:39 AM

streetwalkincheeta

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This is most likely going to be profitable. Might pass though, this tourney is soft.

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01-09-2012 , 03:24 AM

sayakmitra

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shipping and folding both is fine imo.

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01-09-2012 , 08:52 AM

poker_giant

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i must admit i also struggel with these but i might fold here .. 10.9 suited i woould really consider .. btw: i rather push your hand than a2-a9 you will be called by all plrs after you with any ace and mostly be behind..
my range is a10s, aj+, any pp, 10j s etc

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01-09-2012 , 10:50 AM

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BMakk

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Wouldn't shove that hand because of the stack sizes. CO and SB in particular are inclined to call pretty light.

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01-09-2012 , 12:40 PM

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Rakhir

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Stacksizes and tendencies of players behind you and wether its folded to you or not is important in this spot, your actual hand doesnt really matter much imo

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01-09-2012 , 12:50 PM

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bahbahmickey

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I play ship/fold here with 10BB or less, but not with that rubbish. I also thought Italian333's range is a bit wide in this spot.

I was thinking: 55+, A7+,KT+,& QJ

Disclaimer: I am a nit.

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01-09-2012 , 09:36 PM

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Kingandtheduck

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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey

I play ship/fold here with 10BB or less, but not with that rubbish

this hand is not rubbish, 82o is rubbish, 103o is rubbish, this sir is a b.e.a.utiful hand

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01-09-2012 , 09:38 PM

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Kingandtheduck

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Originally Posted by Rakhir

Stacksizes and tendencies of players behind you and wether its folded to you or not is important in this spot, your actual hand doesnt really matter much imo

well you have all the information in the OP, and I think your hand is important

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01-09-2012 , 09:40 PM

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Kingandtheduck

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Originally Posted by BMakk

Wouldn't shove that hand because of the stack sizes. CO and SB in particular are inclined to call pretty light.

Literally no-one is calling light here, 88+ AJs+, maybe 77 for SB, everyone is in full nit mode

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01-09-2012 , 11:23 PM

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Elephants_pride

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-ev, whether they call light or not with 6 players behind you.
50% chance something would call you on 10% range and you have around 30-35% equity vs that range.

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01-10-2012 , 09:45 AM

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Kingandtheduck

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^^ I think people are calling slightly tighter than 10%, more like 7% (88+, A10s+, AQo+), how do you calculate the 50% chance part?

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01-10-2012 , 10:16 AM

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pkratitsbest

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chip EV wise its an easy shove if people are only calling with sth lik 7.5% of hands. (interestingly u can shove up to 76.5% of hands if they are that tight). but i guess they are calling w sth like 10% i guess, even if its +cEV its still too thin and -EV.

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01-10-2012 , 10:30 AM

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bahbahmickey

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Originally Posted by Kingandtheduck

this hand is not rubbish, 82o is rubbish, 103o is rubbish, this sir is a b.e.a.utiful hand

haha.... I was saying that I don't like the hand in this spot, but there are many spots that I T8 soooted where I should this just isn't one.

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01-10-2012 , 03:22 PM

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shotmeister

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think if table is nitty its fine + your almost 9/10 times live

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01-10-2012 , 05:21 PM

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DJSplitPot

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Shove is fine imo

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01-11-2012 , 12:57 AM

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HUHandEH

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I think it's a close fold simply based on stacks left to act, but if your image is good their calling range should tighten up a bit, so it depends on the table, I generally fold pre with this stack size and position.

TT+ A9s+ A5s-A3s ATo+ KTs+ KJo+ QTs+

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ty^ interested in the ranges for this spot in particular

http://www.holdemresources.net/hr/sn...22838&s9=84562

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01-11-2012 , 03:20 AM

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HUHandEH

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^^^^ I missed the antes......so this information might not be correct^^^^^^

Last edited by HUHandEH; 01-11-2012 at 03:20 AM. Reason: Just trying to help out.

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01-11-2012 , 05:35 AM

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BurnzDK

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NH WP I ship too

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01-11-2012 , 06:58 AM

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Kingandtheduck

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Originally Posted by HUHandEH

^^^^ I missed the antes......so this information might not be correct^^^^^^

TY antes will change the ranges signifcantly

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