no history with SB or BB, they were moved to table about 5 hands ago or something like that
PT3 trial ran out, so no stats
timebank ran out, hadn't and can't OPR him

I brought up the 60Minutes episode that's airing tonight the table chatted a bit, he mentioned something about knowing about the AP/UB scandals so he isn't completely poker-******ed but that's the only info I've got on him



Poker Stars $3.00+$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t12500/t25000 Blinds + t3125 - 8 players
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MP2: t545442
CO: t159381
Hero (BTN): t474464
SB: t1037540
BB: t402504
UTG: t366975
UTG+1: t450882
MP1: t382563

Pre Flop: (t62500) Hero is BTN with 8 8
5 folds, Hero raises to t60225, SB raises to t175000, 1 fold, Hero raises to t471339 all in, SB calls t296339

anyone like an open shove better? my thoughts were r/c/get it in > shove >> fold >>>>> r/f

The range he puts you on raising from the button has to be wide, so for the most part he's re-raising extremely light (provided no reads). If you run into 99+, then gg, but I think you're facing 55+, A9s, A10o/s+. Flip for a better stack since you only have 19 BB imo

Wow, that's a toughy. I don't think the way you played it could be criticized because, by making a roughly 2.5X BB raise, you are inviting some racing hands (also some weaker hands Ax, Kx) to come along. Also, most of the time you will take the pot down uncontested.
I, personally, like the shove here for two reasons. First, it effectively eliminates post-flop mistakes (for example, if someone calls and the flop come K 10 2, what do you do...). Also, by making this type of raise, you are committing greater that 10% of your chips. While not pot-committed, it does give you incentive to get it in on the flop and, possibly, commit one of those post-flop mistakes mentioned earlier.
As played, hope you are up against a weaker PP (but, more than likely, some donkish racing hand (I'm thinking KQ).

any more thoughts? super standard?

he reraises you very strongly here, so i don´t think a shove has any fold equity here. he gets i think almost 2.5 to 1 to call after your shove.

that said i dont like your reshove so much. why is r/f so bad here since when you fold here your still completly in the tournament. there is one shortstack about to go out and i dont think this is the right time to flip against the only bigstack on the table.

ya, get it in. I can't really defend this mathematically, but I think I like 70k>call shove better than open shove since you're folding out A2-A8 and 22-77 more often with the open ship than with the standard open

Standard ship in my opinion. Once you get deep in these, lots of people treat button raises as steals (which they are a lot), and re-"steal" light. Have you raised his blind before? If I get raised more than 2x in a row (or frequently it seems) I'm shipping almost ATC from the blinds assuming its a steal. Sometimes I repop Ax or Kx just to look them up occasionally. I think your play is fine.

I'm not sure if folding 88 on the button vs an SB RR is correct. I think the reshove is +ev.

But, did you ICM this? How much are you risking in real $ and for what gain?

still 77 left (it was a huge field), i felt ICM was pretty marginal at this point.
it was like a $7 jump every 1 or 2 tables busted for a while or something like that, the real increases didn't start until the last couple tables

I think I would have played it the same way you did. But I"m wondering...against your standard 3rebuy superdonks wouldn't they sometimes call an open shove with ace-weak and smaller pairs? If this is the case I think open shoving is actually gonna be best.

probably not with my stack size and not this far into the tourney


Mainly what I'm getting at is whether I can r/f here with my stack size and this hand. Most low-limit players aren't 3betting light, and I even think his raise size is a bit of a tell. It just feels so wrong r/f-ing 88 with <20bbs.
Hindsight is 20/20, of course.

I dunno I have seen some pretty ridic-bad plays in the 3rebuy. Last month I FT'd one because with like 30 players left I called a raise in BB, flopped 2pair, crai, and had AK high no pair no draw, bad pot odds call me. You just can't rule out the curiosity calls against these donks imo...you are right about them not 3betting light though.

I think open shoving would have been the most profitable way to play it but as played I'm still AI.

88 is strong enough to want him to shove light, r/c all day

i agree with the r/c crowd, but his raise size kind of scares me. In a 3r i don't think most people would be sophisticated enough to make this kind of raise as a level because it looks scarier, so I kind of give him credit for a strong hand here. if he just shipped i think it would be a call, but based on his raise size I think it's a fold. open shove wouldn't be bad either.

No way should you be folding here. His range is too big. Also don't just shove... played fine.

Yeah, time to gamble then. Well played.

raise/call > shove >>>> raise/fold

raise call is best...well played...

There´s no way I´m raise folding 88 from the button here.
Openshoving i really don´t like either because I will open a lot of hands on the button and I don´t want to fold too big % of my opening range to a resteal. (even though I dont think it will matter much in a 3r)