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09-08-2014 , 06:08 AM

Dragons_Egg

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Hey

Final 2 Tables of the Big $11. The opener is laggy with stats of something like 34/28. Both shovers had stats of something like 21/11, but hadn't shown anything to make me think they were very strong players. A timing tell is also that the CO snap-shoved after MP3 shoved.

So what should we do here with the ol' TT?

Cheers

Poker Stars, $10 Buy-in (17,500/35,000 blinds, 4,375 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

MP3: 448,521 (12.8 bb)
CO: 512,564 (14.6 bb)
BTN: 1,379,236 (39.4 bb)
SB: 237,155 (6.8 bb)
Hero (BB): 1,166,867 (33.3 bb)
UTG+2: 672,382 (19.2 bb)
MP1: 449,396 (12.8 bb)
MP2: 2,675,178 (76.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T

2 folds, MP2 raises to 71,600, MP3 raises to 444,146 and is all-in, CO raises to 508,189 and is all-in, 2 folds, Hero ???

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09-08-2014 , 07:49 AM

CrunkMonkey

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call

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09-08-2014 , 08:02 AM

Grekzorba

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mp2 open range is wide because he is a big stack and both players behind him have only 12-14 bb so theirs range shouldn't be very tight althought it's a late stage in small b.i. tourney so quite often players play little scary but we can assume that mp3 tight range is- 77+,ajs+,aqo+ and co range is 88+,aqo+ we have around 31-32% against them so with blinds, ante and 2bb open its a call. You can take tt and ako as a bottom here

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09-08-2014 , 08:02 AM

abcdefgrl

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puke folding against two 21/11s and a lag that could wake up

nice run

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09-08-2014 , 08:13 AM

FT37

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definitely cry folding here since MP2 is still to act..

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09-08-2014 , 08:27 AM

CrunkMonkey

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yeah, thought we were closing the action, folding as well, with a single tear running down my face

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09-08-2014 , 12:11 PM

Sorin

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with that action before and those stats i`d fold... i`m curious to see the results

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09-08-2014 , 12:31 PM

Antricko123

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Think I would opt for a fold too in this spot also be interested to see the results

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09-08-2014 , 02:14 PM

gamboneee

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i could see folding in practice, but in theory i dont think we should be

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09-08-2014 , 02:51 PM

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Sorin

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Originally Posted by gamboneee

i could see folding in practice, but in theory i dont think we should be

In theory you just call or shove?

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09-08-2014 , 03:11 PM

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Puzo

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Originally Posted by gamboneee

i could see folding in practice, but in theory i dont think we should be

This is exactly what I was thinking too.

OP, please tell us that you FT this one?

Last edited by Puzo; 09-08-2014 at 03:19 PM.

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09-08-2014 , 03:26 PM

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suri0

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Fold.

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09-08-2014 , 06:30 PM

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Dragons_Egg

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Originally Posted by Puzo

OP, please tell us that you FT this one?

Sigh. Unfortunately not. Came 11th, which seems to be my unlucky number in the Bigs since that's also my best finish in the Big $4.40.

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09-08-2014 , 07:16 PM

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DjHitzz

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Think I'd fold, nice run though!

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09-08-2014 , 08:27 PM

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all_in_pockets

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fold in game, but if we've got the correct pot odds/equity (which i assume we do) hero should be calling.

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09-08-2014 , 09:01 PM

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ozmosis313

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just toss it, seems trivial given that action.

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09-09-2014 , 12:39 AM

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Puzo

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Originally Posted by Dragons_Egg

Sigh. Unfortunately not. Came 11th, which seems to be my unlucky number in the Bigs since that's also my best finish in the Big $4.40.

Sick run anyway! Grats! Allthough its soulcrushing to get that close to 5 fig score and play a high-pressure FT, its still a very impressive result.

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09-09-2014 , 10:12 AM

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abcdefgrl

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Originally Posted by gamboneee

i could see folding in practice, but in theory i dont think we should be

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Originally Posted by Puzo

This is exactly what I was thinking too.

OP, please tell us that you FT this one?

Are you guys saying this because you think its a significantly chip + ev spot (interesting if you think that - i'd have thought we're up against a bigger pair or 3 overs a pretty substantial proportion of the time)

Or do you think its a slightly chip ev spot, but if Dragons wins it and ends up with 70 plus BB (or occasionally 110) then with presumably a bit of a skill edge he's gonna be able to do a lot of stuff compared to what he can with 40BB, so the overall ev of the spot goes up if likely future events are taken into account. Which when i think about it a bit more in this context i'm starting to lean to a call too.

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09-09-2014 , 12:10 PM

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HUHandEH

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nice run...you aint no nit.

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09-09-2014 , 12:48 PM

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nonsimplesimon

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Ya ... Folding TT pho sho - JJ is interesting I might time bank fold lol but they shouldnt be a fold i imagine. - defo gii w QQ.

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09-09-2014 , 03:33 PM

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gamboneee

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Originally Posted by abcdefgrl

more that having 30bb all the time is better than having 70 or 15bb half the time. gonna be a fairly close cev gii i believe, but not a great spot to go for thin spots

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09-10-2014 , 06:25 PM

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Dragons_Egg

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Thanks for the feedback all.

Results:

I tank folded. MP1 also folded. MP2 flipped over AKo and CO flipped over 99.

Blah.

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09-11-2014 , 12:06 AM

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gamboneee

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im sure you snap it off in mid stages or w.e?

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09-11-2014 , 01:20 AM

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Dragons_Egg

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Mmmmm.... CO should be a little more cautious of re shoving in this spot since we're so deep in the tourney with a big number up top.

If it was mid-stages of a standard SSMTT I might be slightly more inclined to call, but I don't think it would be a snap.

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09-11-2014 , 04:04 AM

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gamboneee

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fair enough, but i think its a spot where your range is so defined that timing doesnt matter =p pretty sure tt should be in it chipwise

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