Where'd you get that idea?
More like, uh, just pointing out one specific area in which I've noticed alot of online players could improve?

When did I say anything negative directed toward online players? Do you even read english? I've already acknowledged that online players have come much farther in the game and are playing it at a much higher level then me and most of my colleagues? I even acknowledged that you guys are crushing the live circuit. Or you're gonna perceive a comment that really strong players have failed to make certain situational adjustments as an insult, then sorry I guess, I'll try not to offend you next time.

if this were true then you should have not made the title of your thread "To this day, online players are completely unable to adjust to the live setting" which made it sound like you were saying all online poker players are terrible live players, in every aspect of the game.

OP,

The problem with your thread probably isn't that it's wrong, it's that the title is completely wrong and somewhat insulting. Online players make tons of adjustments to the live setting, which is they've had so much success. Saying we're "completely unable to adjust" is not just wrong, it's pretty ******ed.

If you had made the title "Sometimes online players don't adjust to old nits extremely small ranges in bubble situations" then nobody would have argued, and you wouldn't look as stupid.

Maybe reading the content of a post also might help in understand it.

The title did come off wrong - for those it rubbed the wrong way, I genuinely apologize. By live setting I guess I was trying to describe live-particular scenarios. I really, really, really don't want this to come off as a NVG style "online players suckur so arrogant i luv hellmuth cause he knows what u have" kinda thing. I was just commenting on something which improve online players performance on the circuit - which again - I must clear hope that I in no way mean to imply that you're not already owning the circuit. I just think this is something that could generally improve alot of online players EV in big live events, as well as help them become more well rounded in the various elements of live play they've yet to encounter.

it looks like gobbo is photoshopped in in that picture with vivek winning

Ya, I mean, OP now that I have read your post I agree with it... I'll echo others about the title

A lot of you guys are way overreacting, although the thread title is extreme and wrong without qualifiers on every word of "are completely unable", the general point is valid. It should be easier to make a narrow read in this situation live, but online players who are accustomed to making default reads based on how generic online players play might ignore something obvious because it's much rarer online and because it's easy to make default plays when you make thousands of them a day. There are players in live events who are really far removed from the strategy universe we operate in. Even bad online fish pick up enough aggressiveness by osmosis that folding AJ would be bad there, or at least enough of them do that folding to an unknown is bad. But live I've 3bet a button raiser, had him fold JJ and then be incredulous at the idea that I could have anything but KK+. He thought it was absurd that I could have AK. There are a lot of these people out there, and adjusting to them includes adjustments you rarely should make online.

Just pretend that he's mostly talking about the mediocre online players who aren't you, but realize that you've definitely done it before too.

aannnd while I wrote that post seven people made the same point.

Yes, it's absurd that everyone is taking this so "personally". I don't consider myself part of some giant fraternity that includes every online player. Though the OP did draw some generalizations about all online players, there is also a valid point. Old men are generally nits!

So the problem with the OP is that the "stupid" "******ed" guy was being insulting?

I never once called him stupid, or ******ed. I called his title stupid and ******ed, and said it made him look stupid.

Ironically, I talked about online players with some 2p2ers via PMs just recently.

I agree with you about "To this day, online players are completely unable to adjust to the live setting...",

Because the online players (esp 2p2ers) don't adjust to the live setting, they define the new live tournament settings... having said that, fail to understand and adjust to online players' setting will make a "once good" live tournament player seldom cashing in live tournaments next year.

My bad.

mod, if you can change the title. maybe if the title is that offensive i can back out of it with the language barrier excuse. english is my third language - and although i feel like i have a strong command on it's grammar and a good vocabulary, i suppose that the wording of the posts title appears much more negative to the readers then intended it to. i hope by now i've cleared up what i'm really trying to say enough that i hope anyone who cares to read through it can bring themselves to get past the title.

i gotta make it especially clear that at no point did i ever intend to degrade any of you or to question your skills. I have nothing but respect and admiration for the a group of people who who accomplished as much more more in sixth months then I have ten years. I'm still struggling to keep up with the advancements you've made. please dont take my saying that theres one element some of you could improve as an attack.

WTF is the online poker world continually having an OK Corrall feud with the live world? It's the same game.

And in this feud:

Why is it that online players are largely young arrogant males?

Why is it that live players are largely condescending pricks?

It's just weird to me, especially given that I really enjoy playing both ways.

this... nice post walker

The ironic thing is I've noticed alot of this from some of the best online players who'd easily be able to profile all sorts of strange villains and pinpoint their ranges. I just don't think with one PARTICULAR adjustment occurs to some people. Alot of players might think,"this guy's worse" or "this guy's better" but end up missing how far removed some players are.

I'd probably be able to be present my opinion more clearly if I had more experience online so I could illustrate comparisons and highlight situations, but whatever so I'll just leave it with their are certain people in live events who will not 4bet worse then kings. They're actually very common, and no matter how well your doing, being aware of who they are is always gonna be a huge help.

1) It could be that they're better this year, luckier this year, or are simply overpowering the majors by brute force since there are an assload of online MTTers buying in directly as well as satting in. It's probably a combination of all 3 and no, I'm not going to gander a guess at the weighting. If online players outnumber live players 5-to-1 in the fields (I've no idea what the actual ratio is), then clearly an online player is more likely to win.

2) Sarcasm wasn't necessary to make your point, and in fact takes away from your message.

online players are probably outnumbered by about this ratio

1) Because most young males who live within a society of their peers are going to be arrogant.

2) Because many of the established live players feel a changing of the guard, and are scared (Not aimed at the OP).

@The OP: This is why I make it a point to play in live home games. Too far away/too poor to play B&M (Texas...guh), but it's something.

i didnt think this thread was all that rough on OP.

We've already got the pictures up, but if someone posted a list of the winners of the WSOP NLH events, WPT events, and other major North American large buy in events this year it would be a startling high % of our peers names.

This years WSOP :

1 $10,000 World Championship Pot Limit Hold'em Nenad Medic
2 $1,500 No Limit Hold'em Grant Hinkle
3 $1,500 Pot Limit Hold'em David Singer
4 $5,000 Mixed Hold'em Erick Lindgren
5 $1,000 No Limit Hold'em w/Rebuys Michael Banducci
6 $1,500 Omaha Hi-Low Split-8 or Better Thang Luu
7 $2,000 No Limit Hold'em Matt Keikoan
8 $10,000 World Championship Mixed Event Anthony Rivera
9 $1,500 No Limit Hold'em Six Handed Rep Porter
10 $2,500 Omaha/Seven Card Stud Hi-Low-8 or Better Freddy Rouhani
11 $5,000 No Limit Hold'em Shootout Phil Tom
12 $1,500 Limit Hold'em Jimmy Shultz
13 $2,500 No Limit Hold'em Duncan Bell
14 $10,000 World Championship Seven Card Stud Eric Brooks
15 $1,000 Ladies No Limit Svetlana Gromenkova
16 $2,000 Omaha Hi-Low Split-8 or Better Andrew Brown
17 $1,500 No Limit Hold'em Shootout Jason Young
18 $5,000 No Limit 2-7 Draw Lowball w/Rebuys Mike Matusow
19 $1,500 Pot Limit Omaha Vanessa Selbst
20 $2,000 Limit Hold'em Daniel Negreanu
21 $5,000 No Limit Hold'em Scott Seiver
22 $3,000 H.O.R.S.E. Jens Vörtmann
23 $2,000 No Limit Hold'em Blair Hinkle
24 $2,500 Pot Limit Hold'em/Omaha Max Pescatori
25 $10,000 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Kenny Tran
26 $1,500 Razz Barry Greenstein
27 $1,500 No Limit Hold'em Vitaly Lunkin
28 $5,000 Pot Limit Omaha w/Rebuys Phil Galfond
29 $3,000 No Limit Hold'em John Phan
30 $10,000 World Championship Limit Hold'em Rob Hollink
31 $2,500 No Limit Hold'em Six Handed Dario Minieri
32 $1,500 No Limit Hold'em Luis Velador
33 $5,000 Seven Card Stud hi/lo Sebastian Ruthenberg
34 $1,500 Pot Limit Omaha w/Rebuys Layne Flack
35 $1,500 Seven Card Stud Michael Rocco
36 $1,500 No Limit Hold'em Jesper Hougaard
37 $10,000 Omaha Hi-Low Split-8 or Better David Benyamine
38 $2,000 Pot Limit Hold'em Davidi Kitai
39 $1,500 No Limit Hold'em David Woo
40 $2,500 2-7 Limit Triple Draw Lowball John Phan
41 $1,500 Mixed Hold'em Frank Gary
42 $1,000 Seniors Dan Lacourse
43 $1,500 Pot Limit OmahaSplit-8 or Better Martin Kläser
44 $1,000 No Limit Hold'em w/Rebuys Max Greenwood
45 $50,000 World Championship H.O.R.S.E. Scotty Nguyen
46 $5,000 No Limit Hold'em Six Handed Joe Commisso
47 $1,500 Seven Card Stud Split-8 or Better Ryan Hughes
48 $2,000 No Limit Hold'em Alexandre Gomes
49 $1,500 No Limit Hold'em J.C. Tran
50 $10,000Pot Limit Omaha Marty Smyth
51 $1,500 H.O.R.S.E. James Schaaf
52 $1,500 No Limit Hold'em David Daneshgar
53 $1,500 Limit Hold'em Shootout Matt Graham
54 $10,000 No Limit Hold'em Main Event Peter Eastgate

^ are those all wins? and all of them play online in some way shape or form? jesus that's only this years WSOP

edit: that can't be all online players..can it?

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