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02-24-2011 , 11:55 PM

1ns71nct

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PokerStars - $4+$0.40|125/250 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: 4,694.00
MP+1: 17,710.00
LP: 6,054.00
CO: 29,347.00
BTN: 3,970.00
SB: 5,500.00
Hero (BB): 23,574.00
UTG: 3,646.00
UTG+1: 13,640.00

MP posts ante 30.00, MP+1 posts ante 30.00, LP posts ante 30.00, CO posts ante 30.00, BTN posts ante 30.00, SB posts ante 30.00, Hero posts ante 30.00, UTG posts ante 30.00, UTG+1 posts ante 30.00, SB posts SB 125.00, Hero posts BB 250.00

Pre Flop: (645.00) Hero has 7

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 250.00, fold, fold, BTN calls 250.00, SB calls 125.00, Hero checks

Flop: (1270.00, 4 players) 6

SB checks, Hero checks, MP+1 bets 500.00, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2,316.00, MP+1 calls 1,816.00

Turn: (5902.00, 2 players) 8

Hero bets 4,000.00, MP+1 calls 4,000.00

River: (13902.00, 2 players) 9

Hero bets 8,341.00, MP+1 raises to 11,114.00 and is all-in, Hero calls 2,773.00

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02-25-2011 , 12:03 AM

Baobhan-Sith

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The better question is, how could you keep yourself 2.7k behind otr? Fwiw since this is the nut worst river card I'm inclined to c/f; it's called the idiot end for a reason. Doubt he'll bluff there often, neither would he turn a pp into a bluff. With a 4card str8 out there there's no real value in betting the river with the idiot str8.

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02-25-2011 , 12:06 AM

MountainBum

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well you set up a perfect river shove so do it. not sure what the huge turn bet is for. i prefer less ott, and plan to re-eval and value bet or check call some rivers. Also your flop check raise is rather huge.

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02-25-2011 , 12:08 AM

1ns71nct

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I put him on 89

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02-25-2011 , 12:11 AM

MountainBum

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well then it all makes sense now, nh.

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02-25-2011 , 12:14 AM

Baobhan-Sith

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How can you put sbdy on a unique hand? If you have a solid read or some kind of important history with him, out with it!

Btw no, you can't fold a str8 when you know he has a 2p

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02-25-2011 , 12:27 AM

1ns71nct

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Well I'm still in that tourney 1 out 181. Must have read something right. I just am going off his play at the table.

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02-25-2011 , 12:29 AM

MountainBum

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Well ffs dont contradict this man he is still IN IT!!!!!!!!!

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02-25-2011 , 12:44 AM

Baobhan-Sith

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Stop posting whilst playing, don't be results oriented, GL, and TID.

@MB: I always do the opposite of what villains expect/want me to do

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02-25-2011 , 12:56 AM

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1ns71nct

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Final 200 in 4 of 4 MTT's...on break.

1 of them under 75 left.

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02-25-2011 , 02:19 AM

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JomboJuice22

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I think I c/c river.

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02-25-2011 , 03:11 AM

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abgtr

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folding anywhere is absolutely insane. def have to bet river, def can't fold. it's gross, but betting any river here is profitable. can't possibly fold...

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02-25-2011 , 05:50 AM

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PokerEye99

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if you'r not sure about the river card, why are we betting???
c/f > c/c > b/c>>>>>>>>>>b/f

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02-25-2011 , 05:54 AM

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furo

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i have a hard time putting him on a T unless its a Thxh combo

pretty clear river shove and the whole line is fine.

i also dont think this flop gets checked through multiway alot and would c/r/get it in > B3B 100% of the time.

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02-25-2011 , 06:15 AM

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Hutcho_CFC

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Bad river card, either shove, or check fold, i prefer to shove as there is no way he will just check it back unless he has like top set and has a lot of showdown value, i prefer the shove then, you look like you are scared of the striaght draw and could get a call from two pair...etc. Would hate to Check fold, and him to flip over two pair.

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02-25-2011 , 09:07 AM

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DanteA

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Originally Posted by furo

Yes, his play doesnt make sense if he isnt an idiot and is playing crap hands like AT, KT that way.

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02-25-2011 , 09:15 AM

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EPortJake

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Anything other than shoving the river is bordering on ******ed imo.

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02-25-2011 , 09:37 AM

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co-bor

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wy is the river so bad?? you only are worried than abbout some kind of combohand like 7T or somethng... easy shove imo otr

J10 of hearts would be insane btw

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02-25-2011 , 12:35 PM

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JomboJuice22

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Originally Posted by abgtr

folding anywhere is absolutely insane. def have to bet river, def can't fold. it's gross, but betting any river here is profitable. can't possibly fold...

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Originally Posted by furo

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Originally Posted by EPortJake

Anything other than shoving the river is bordering on ******ed imo.

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Originally Posted by co-bor

wy is the river so bad?? you only are worried than abbout some kind of combohand like 7T or somethng... easy shove imo otr

J10 of hearts would be insane btw

I'm still not convinced... What are we getting value from when we shove the river? I don't really think most villains call a shove on the river with overpairs/2pair, they probably even lay down sets a lot of the time.

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02-25-2011 , 01:32 PM

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areaman

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what a digusting hand. id surely be pissed after this hand.

no, you cant fold, youre getting 12:1 or something with a straight on a non paired non flushed board. they have 8Thh or some random Thxh hand almost always id think, but youre way too priced in.

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Originally Posted by JomboJuice22

never played a 4.40 huh?

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02-25-2011 , 01:48 PM

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JomboJuice22

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Originally Posted by areaman

never played a 4.40 huh?

I'm that obvious?

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02-25-2011 , 02:01 PM

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1ns71nct

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Not spoil the thread but he did show up with my prediction, 2 pair. But against certain villians I am really pissed about the river, this one I was but Instincts told me he didn't have a T

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