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The correct fold OTR?? The correct fold OTR??

09-15-2015 , 01:26 AM
Thoughts and opinions please??

I played pot control in position, Figured his range in the sb for calling preflop and raising on the turn he can have pocket 2s, 3s, A3cc A4 or complete air.. I'm not sure on villain but only thing I can see him floating the flop with other than anything were beating on the river is 56cc.. I don't see any fd floating the flop that can raise the turn..

He could have complete air but I have no reads on the villain and I just don't feel comfortable gambling so much early on in this spot.

    Poker Stars, $3 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37117603

    Hero (CO): 2,740 (91.3 bb)
    BTN: 8,880 (296 bb)
    SB: 2,800 (93.3 bb)
    BB: 3,120 (104 bb)
    UTG+1: 3,000 (100 bb)
    UTG+2: 15 (0.5 bb)
    MP1: 3,415 (113.8 bb)
    MP2: 6,030 (201 bb)
    MP3: 40 (1.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with J A
    5 folds, Hero raises to 87, BTN calls 87, SB calls 72, BB folds

    Flop: (291) 3 A 4 (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets 90, BTN folds, SB calls 90

    Turn: (471) T (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets 150, SB raises to 420, Hero calls 270

    River: (1,311) 7 (2 players)
    SB bets 1,311, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: 1,311 pot
    Final Board: 3 A 4 T 7
    Hero mucked J A and lost (-597 net)
    SB mucked and won 1,311 (714 net)



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    Last edited by lRaiseOnce; 09-15-2015 at 01:36 AM.
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    09-15-2015 , 03:46 AM
    I would bet half pots on the flop and the turn. If he raises that big on the turn, it is a fold to me - even AT beats us and he can raise turn with sets/2 pairs for protection from the flush. Of course he can have everything but you don't know that, which also leads to a fold on the turn.
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    09-15-2015 , 03:53 AM
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    Originally Posted by Dilyan
    I would bet half pots on the flop and the turn. If he raises that big on the turn, it is a fold to me - even AT beats us and he can raise turn with sets/2 pairs for protection from the flush. Of course he can have everything but you don't know that, which also leads to a fold on the turn.
    Agree could fold turn after analysing... no need to call but I think bet sizing is fine as theres no need to bloat the pot with 1 pair.. Thanks for feedback
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    09-15-2015 , 04:03 AM
    Because your bets are on the smaller side - which shows that you don't have a really strong hand, he can raise you for testing you (again, you don't know that). If you bet normal sizes (looking more for value) and then he raises you - clear fold.
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    09-15-2015 , 04:35 AM
    Bigger everywhere. If your flop c-bet would have been bigger I'd check turn for pc, but eith that sizing its pretty much mandatory bet. Definetly folding river.
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    09-15-2015 , 04:51 AM
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    Originally Posted by Puzo
    Bigger everywhere. If your flop c-bet would have been bigger I'd check turn for pc, but eith that sizing its pretty much mandatory bet. Definetly folding river.
    isn't bigger cbet chasing out worse hands? worse aces other pairs etc
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    09-15-2015 , 05:41 AM
    definitely cbet bigger on flop.

    you can check for pot control/deception on turn or bet for value 40 to 52% of pot. i much rather betting for value.

    if we get raised on turn, im not sure what we're supposed to do though.

    but i think you're beat with this pot bet by villain OTR.
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    09-16-2015 , 02:17 PM
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    Originally Posted by lRaiseOnce
    isn't bigger cbet chasing out worse hands? worse aces other pairs etc
    If someone is calling 90 he/she is very likely calling 50-60 more too. Also you prolly don't use this sizing as a bluff, so don't use it when you are betting for value either.
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