agreed

You just earned a lot of respect for this post Sorel. Its like baseball players who use steroids.. Not one has come out and said, "I used steroids. They helped me hit 60 homeruns in a season. I could probably hit 35-40 off of steroids but they definitely gave me an edge."

I wish for once someone would come clean in this way rather then the usual i unknowingly used them or they were for other purposes. I would be much more inclined to forgive that player.

In this case your post seems really genuine and I think you deserve the respect of the poker community for posting. Yes you did some relatively shady things but setting the record straight in the way you did should earn some forgiveness

jealous hater much?? Deeb give the kid a break, noone has to bash your poker abilities, you do that enough yourself.

You just hate and hate the bad boyz of poker cause they own so much, id be willing to bet my entire roll when JJ Prodigy hit the live circuit when he comes of age he''ll own just like sorel is and you'll hate and say how much of a scumbag cheater he is..

you must not know this guy.

he isn't genuine and he probably thinks in his mind he's 100% justified

he deserves NO ONE'S respect and is only on here posting this **** to save what little face he can and probably trying to save his sponsorship deal.

his original post in the billion-page-long scandal post before this one, where he basically says to everyone "suck my dick i don't care what you think" was CLEARLY the only genuine thing he's posted here in years.

if you really think sorel is a good person who has moralistic fibers somewhere in his body, then you DEFINITELY have no idea who he is or how long he's been cheating people out of $. this guy deserves no one's time of day.

how are we so sure justin didnt ignore the ban?
when poker is your livelihood, your way of making money, i have to say it would make sense to find a way to still play.

can mods ban these ppl? 127 posts? i really bet all of those previous 126 were just as ridiculous as this one.

midstakes ftw

fyp

I wrote the same post on P5s:
I don't mind talking since i'm a nobody. I finished 7th of the moneymaker Freeroll and was rewarded a PCA package worth 14K (under the name nicoSF, pokerstars has since allowed me to change my pseudo after I left SF lol).
Anyway I was there in the lobby sitting with all these guys. There was Mizzi, Annette, Bel0wab0ve, PBdrunks...
I was sitting next to Zpaceman who was winning the 100+R that day. AK87 was deep in the sunday million when Bax came by and is the one who offered to purchase the account. AK87 laughed it off and continued playing. That was the end of the story since no deal occured, but the discussion definitely took place.
So I understand Mizzi's frustration because they made all these rules because of what he's done, yet it looks like the "behind the scene" buying of accounts was very common.

no one "knows" other than justin, but if you read their posts over the years and the scandals sorel has been involved in (not to mention i'm pretty sure he's associated with JJ somehow), who are you willing to believe? i have no reason to NOT believe justin, and every reason in the world to assume sorel is trying to save as much face as possible and is not being honest at all.

time will tell, but there's no reason at this point to do anything but believe justin as there's 0% proof that he's done anything shady over the past few years, but i can point you to a few threads that might implicate sorel.

and i mean, sorel has admitted to still playing on FTP, and justin was spending years playing live poker. who do you really think followed the ban more closely?

Is it okay that Jayson Williams shot and killed his driver and lied and covered it up becuase hes good at b-ball and is a cool guy to hang with?

is it okay that OJ (alledgedly) killed 2 people and then jacked some others at gunpoint because he was a heck of a RB and hey those hertz commercials were cool?

is it okay that the enron guys screwed all their employees retirements for their own benefit because who knew it was wrong back then?

I mean Im all for forgiveness and people getting a chance to turn their life around but all you guys defending his actions for any reason whatsover....wtf?

First, one minor thing that Sorel knows I disagree with: I believe that giving someone advice on the phone/AIM/whatever is much different than being handed that person's tournament and being able to play it with full access to the controls. I think being in command of the rhythm of the tournament is a huge difference.

Second, I do like Sorel, but I don't like what he's done for online poker. Yes, I can keep those contradictory sentiments in my head at the same time. I have argued with him in person several times about his ambitions in ethically gray areas, and I just can't figure out why he can't play it on the straight and narrow and just lean back on his natural talents instead of needlessly edge-mongering and dredging up controversy in his wake. I guess he's just wired differently than most of us are (but probably more similar to, say, Doyle Brunson 30 years ago), and maybe that heedless ambition is connected to what makes him a poker genius and me not so much.

Third, I completely disagree with Daut's sentiment in post #36. ANYTHING that turns people off from online poker is a bad thing, especially people who "suck and don't want to put in the time to become good." Also the nebulous nature of online security and seeming inability to ensure game integrity should be a turn-off to everyone.

A+ first post i have no reason to not believe you because that 1 post is full of so much stuff that is IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE that i'm going to blindly believe the dude w/ 1 post!!!!!!!!!

Yes, look at me, for example.

he has >1k posts on the site he posted it on and doubt he's just going to magically come up with all those names and details of what was going on for no reason at all. not saying it's all true or not cause we'll prolly never know but gtfo with your post count bs just because he doesn't spend all day on 2p2.. it's a guy stating his case/insight on the situation, give him a break.

makes sense. however, i think youre allowing personal relationships get in the way of the truth. before this chat log came out and sorel's post, there really wasnt concrete evidence of sorel playing on ftp. it could have been assumed, but no real evidence.

the same could be for justin. just because he had been a solid human being after he was banned, does not mean he wasnt jumping around accounts, trying to make a living. we just dont know, the same way we didnt know about sorel. i mean, really, would it shock you if justin did?

jj as well. there are surely people who post on 2p2 who know what accounts he plays under. should those people come forward and out him?

To be fair, it seems absurd for the accuser to hide behind the suggestion that Sorel is some sort of Don Corleone character. Sorel's first post was irrational and counter-productive, but this time he makes a lot more sense imo.

Just stop.

No doubt you were probably there but it wasn't bax who offered to buy the acct. No names gonna be posted though.

Please stop calling for people to be banned without cause. We really don't want the 2p2 moderators to turn into Nazis like the P5s moderator(s).

not defending sorel, but curious why people turn a blind eye to others who have been in the exact same situation.
why is it so outlandish to think justin did the same thing but was just better at it and less douchey?
and people are going nuts about sorel having multiple ftp accounts, but theres obviously people who know of others who have done this/are doing this, but wont speak up about it.

personally I forgave him because of his performance as Nordberg in Naked Gun. But I see your point.

For the same reason when the US expanded westward it was Manifest Destiny and when the Russians moved west it was the end of the world.

I think its a fair question to ask why guys are protecting known cheats.

a) that has nothing to do with zeejustin, don't know why TUTS is trying to figure out whether he played on stars during his ban when no one knows except justin (I'd be willing to bet a lot that he didn't though)

b) yes, it'd be nice if people who knew people cheating would give them up, but does that really need to be said for the 1000th time? people who know about others cheating and aren't telling 2p2 about them are doing so for immoral selfish reasons but some random telling them its immoral and selfish isn't going to change that

Ya he had a gun though. Armed robbery and rap sheets add up to doing time. Doesn't matter how much money you take. Pretty sure he is getting out next July which would be 7(I think) after all is said and done but he got sentenced to ten.