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Is the C-bet reasonable, difficult post flop play that I need some help... Is the C-bet reasonable, difficult post flop play that I need some help...

07-20-2008 , 09:10 AM
The Villain resists much to my raises and steals I try to make, I won a reasonable pot earlier against him, where he tried to bluff me. Is the c-bet ok? or should I keep some chips safe? and then about the call, I didn't want to give up that easily especially with an insinde straight draw and a backdoor flush one... anyone makes a move on the turn? ,ty


Poker Stars $2.02+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t600/t1200 Blinds - 8 players
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BB: t59627
UTG: t72636
UTG+1: t35800
MP1: t64613
Hero (MP2): t53087
CO: t36601
BTN: t8279
SB: t62626

Pre Flop: Hero is MP2 with 7 A
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t1200, 1 fold, Hero raises to t4850, CO calls t4850, 4 folds

Flop: (t13700) 6 4 3 (2 players)
Hero bets t5000, CO raises to t10000, Hero calls t5000

Turn: (t33700) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t21626 all in, Hero folds
Is the C-bet reasonable, difficult post flop play that I need some help... Quote
07-20-2008 , 09:42 AM
Sorry but you played this hand terribly.

Raising A7o here is marginal, some people will probably say fold preflop but there's nothing wrong with raising this imo, although it's borderline.

Your preflop raise size: there's just no reason to raise to 4x. It's just spewing chips when you get reraised and have to fold, and just as importantly it means you are wasting chips when you get called and have to make such a large c-bet because you have bloated the pot with your preflop raise size. 2.5-3x is ample.

If you're going to bet this flop the bet needs to be bigger. Your bet is screaming out "take this pot away from me" and obviously he is only too happy to oblige. (See, if we had made a smaller raise pre, we could make a normal sized c-bet and still have more chips than we have now ) You should bet about 1/2-2/3 of the pot, so in this case about 7000 should be plenty. That's a pretty good flop to c-bet so I think your decision to bet was good.

Once he raised you, even though it's only a min raise, you need to throw this away, you're probably drawing to four outs.

edit: oh yeah duh I am an idiot I didn't even see the limper, i should learn to read HHs better - ignore most of what I said

Last edited by zedveron; 07-20-2008 at 10:08 AM.
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07-20-2008 , 09:47 AM
huh zedveron? 4x is awesome/the standard play here for picking on a limper, with 3.5-3.9x being good too, and 3x is just too small and he won't fold PF, and it's inviting players to call you in position. for myself, i would jus fold PF to avoid this marginal situation and avoid getting in this hard spot. not really the best board to c-bet, since lots of players won't believe you and there are some draws behind. i like a check behind, and betting some scary turns if checked to you, usually around 6kish

Last edited by Chesskid1; 07-20-2008 at 09:54 AM.
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07-20-2008 , 09:52 AM
Yes , there was one limper , I think I had noticed something weak about the limper or I wouldn't have raised with A7o. Indeed I hesitated about c-betting and checking, next time I'll c-bet stronger, especially OOP

Last edited by mar7xion; 07-20-2008 at 10:00 AM.
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07-20-2008 , 02:07 PM
I think you need to be at least CO or even better button if you want raise-iso a weak passive limper with a marginal hand that is possibly dominated, because basically you are not playing your cards but rather your position. As played I think I cbet stronger this flop but I surely fold to his raise on your cbet.
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07-20-2008 , 02:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mar7xion
Yes , there was one limper , I think I had noticed something weak about the limper or I wouldn't have raised with A7o. Indeed I hesitated about c-betting and checking, next time I'll c-bet stronger, especially OOP
this is not a good enough reason to raise from MP+2 imo. That being said, the 4x bet is the right one if you are looking for a fold pf.

Make a bigger c-bet, but fold to the raise, esp a minraise (almost always strong)

when you start with such a weak hand pf, it gets harder and harder to continue with the hand at every street. Playing it the way you did, illistartes this fact, when he gets it in on turn, you are heavily invested, have a gut and nut flush draw and are still forced to fold.
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