From memory, I'm sitting on a slightly below avg stack at 60/118. Villain had 8/4 stats over about 30 hnds and is a winning player...


PokerStars - $10+$1|300/600 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 8 players

Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com

UTG+1: 31,656.00
MP: 8,140.00
MP+1: 31,806.00
CO: 54,961.00
Hero (BTN): 24,173.00
SB: 14,080.00
BB: 21,852.00
UTG: 35,709.00

UTG+1 posts ante 50.00, MP posts ante 50.00, MP+1 posts ante 50.00, CO posts ante 50.00, Hero posts ante 50.00, SB posts ante 50.00, BB posts ante 50.00, UTG posts ante 50.00, SB posts SB 300.00, BB posts BB 600.00
Pre Flop: (1300.00)

Hero has Qh Qc

UTG raises to 1,266.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3,600.00, fold, fold, UTG raises to 9,600.00, ???

Interested in your thoughts and how you would proceed. Will post outcome later.

Tks.

What are your stats at over the 30 hands that said winning player has been on your table?

flat or 3bet/shove, leaning towards flat vs an 8/4 utg open

3bet/folding is terrible... just turrible

i 3bet smaller

i fold, his range should be like QQ+ , AK, and his raise looks to me like AA, or KK
u still have a solid stack left

Yeah I like a flat here, you're almost always crushed if he 4bets you which he's going to do pretty often from UTG, and you're deep enough to play some postflop poker. 3b/folding is terrible but you have no real choice here, no FE and he def doesn't have JJ.

FWIW in a vacuum I think the 3bet is too big, if we're 3betting here we should be going to something like 2955.

Your sizing is a bit much, but I like it if you're planning on getting it in pre.

I prolly flat to the standard first time, I know we want to iso here and perhaps get him off small PP's but we are OOP, your line is more like the nutz, or K's and essentially his stats should dictate how we play the hand, reads....it's all about reads.

In this spot I wanna fold, but since we did raise it up, and he repops us, I and would just continue to get it in with a 5bet cold ball, if it's a disaster, then I so be it, but I think it's a flip, and you might even be ahead of him.

Some times 2 wrongs make a right in poker

Meh you're 47% against JJ+ AK so **** it/get it in.

Sucks when you punt your 40 BB stack against KK+, but thats the reason why flatting IP vs a nit's UTG raise is superior. I'd rather be 3betting A2o than QQ.

way to short not to get this in. silly convo.

Tks for replies.

FWIW I folded as I felt I still had enough of a stack to be comp and felt also that I was up against AK, AA, KK here (as I write I'm thinkin "too nitty"!!) Def agree that my 3bet sizing was too much tho.

Advice locked in memory bank, cheers.

Winning player regarding his sharkscope stats.

do you even know what a cold 5bet is?

Not sure of what you mean, I was asking what your HUD stats were when the winning player was at your table.

If you were active he is going to 4bet you lighter than his standard range and if you were tight he might be doing this with a tighter range etc.

I definitely 3 bet smaller at this stage, unless, like someone said, you are happy with getting it in.

Good place to learn the lesson about thinking ahead instead of just saying "Awesome, I haz QQ, automatic 3 bet". If you think his UTG range is so tight that if he four bets you're going to fold, then you are better off taking a moment, asking yourself what you would do if he repopped you, and flatting instead.

Strife's point is valid, however, if JJ is at all in his range we've got the pot odds to go. I have a hard time saying there's no chance JJ isn't in his range here, but his stats are pretty damn nitty.

30 hands tho

nitty stats for a winning reg over 30 hands...stand by my statement that once we 3bet there is no going back. his 4bet gives us no FE but I'm with strife...47% vs. JJ+/AK+. That is probably his range, maybe he gets extra excited with AQs one day or something.

something no one else has mentioned is what does the winning nitty reg think of us? are we spazzing or playing tight??

ups

i is very good at reading. not like it was the first post or anything.

you can flat the first time even if he is wide.

once you 3bet there is no way back.

This exactly....

Not sure what my stats over the 30 hnds were but don't think I was overly active. Running 17/9 for the 250 hnd tourney.